row frame fire scenario

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Permalink Reply by John Salka on March 24, 2008 at 7:12pm

Tony,
This is a GREAT idea! I used to write questions for test prep in the FDNY. It really gets the guys thinking. Good idea. Let me know if you need a question or two, I think I have about 5,000 on file.

Permalink Reply by Anthony Avillo on March 24, 2008 at 7:46pm

cool that makes 10,000
i was going to make it essay type answer too, but i think it is friendlier as a M/C 4 now
thanks for the support
stay safe bro

Permalink Reply by Anthony Avillo on March 24, 2008 at 8:19pm

you can always be a guest scenario writer too! Start it as a new discussion

Permalink Reply by Chris Mc Loone on March 25, 2008 at 10:12am

I'll take a crack at it:

1. What is your first action at this fire?
c. Establish Command and give a radio report

2. What is the first priority of the initial-arriving Engine Company?
b. Confine and extingusih the fire

3. In regard to the fire's location and potential spread at this fire, what would be your major concern?
c. Potential for open cockloft


4. The Ladder Officer has ordered that the aerial be raised to the 2nd floor window and the first-arriving Ladder Company is climbing it in an attempt to remove a victim from the window. Comment on this:
b. Poor practice. The aerial should be raised to the roof to establish immediate ventilation of the cockloft via a roof cut

5. An additional alarm has been struck. Justify this action?
d. Personnel will be required to operate as the RIC team

6. An attack and back-up line has been stretched into the fire apartment. Where would the next line be positioned?
c. Top floor of Exposure Bravo

7. Where would you concentrate your second alarm forces at this fire?
a. Split them between the exposures

8. How would you best initially attempt to limit fire spread to the building of origin?
b. Pull the ceilings in the fire area

9. How should exposure coverage be addressed?
c. Exposure Bravo should receive the highest priority, but Exposure Delta should be entered and checked

10. To what extent would you evacuate these buildings?
a. Evacuate exposures B and D only

11. Suppose you are the Officer of Ladder 1. You are about to conduct vertical ventilation of the building. What would you do first?
d. Recon the rear of the building

12. What would you do in regard to the increasing volume of smoke coming from the rear of the building?
d. Attack from the front

I'd appreciate any feedback you can provide, chief.

Thanks.

Chris Mc Loone

Permalink Reply by Anthony Avillo on March 30, 2008 at 1:38pm

if you were the only company there and no one else and fire was directly threatyening the victim, u are best making the resceu. if u r an engine and a laddwer is arriving close behind, let them make the rescue and stretch a line
we will visit this concept in future scenarios
my best advice when doing these scenarios is to answer the question and not read into
creating your own scenario will kill u in the test world and possibly hamper your decisionmaking on the fireground
aa

Permalink Reply by Anthony Avillo on March 30, 2008 at 2:09pm

OK
ANSWERS TO SCENARIO #1
will get another scenario up asap
advice here -- answers the questions based on the scenario and the resources listed
don't make your own stuff up or you could justify any answer
have an open mind, speak it in response, you may not agree with me, that's OK
the overiding concern will always be safety

1. C -- always establish command as a first act -- control of the fire begins with control of the fireground
2. B -- basic engine priorities -- loacte, confine, extinguish. leave the rescue, if warranted, to the ladder
3. C -- top floor fire, attached buildings, fire started in ceiling -- biggest concern -- fire spread upward and outward. If this was a lower floor fire, answer would have been the open stairs
4. D -- while aerial (or ground ladder) should be raised to roof of upwind exposure, the fact here is that personnel are being wasted by "rescuing" someone who can probably walk down the stairs -- the safest. msot effective path of least resistance out of the building. Also, "immediate" venting of the cockloft is not done by cutting the roof. It is done thorugh natural openings -- critical reading here -- a must for those taking exams and opening roofs
5. B -- We must get ahead of this fire ASAP -- that requires more people and quick
6. D -- wind toward D exposure
7. A -- must get reports and lines to both exposure -- can do this with 1 engine company and 2 ladder personnel in each exposure initially. This compliment then gets reinforced or reduced based on reports
8. D -- get the natural openings vented first, punch out the returns to vent the cockloft
9. D -- based on wind conditions while keeping an eye on the windward side as conditions can change.
10. D -- old combustible buildings, 15 MPH wind, evidence of conditions worsening at the rear and in the cockloft. don't gamble -- life first
11. B. In these old buildings, the skylite is usually over the stairs while the scuttle may be at the end of the hallway, maybe in a closet like enclosure. They both must be opened, but the skylite will provide a better opportunity at initial venting. By the way, doing a recon of the rear is proper, but it does not vertically vent the building, which is what you are being asked to do
12. B -- Recon, then take action based on reports. An initial scene assignment that mandates someone check the rear would provide the needed info quickly. Premature line placement may cause opposing streams. Just attacking from the front does not address the concern as it is stated in the question. Get info, take action, evaluate, modify as needed

If you would like to discuss any of these, reply here and we will do that
Hope you found this a challenge
aa

Permalink Reply by Anthony Avillo on March 30, 2008 at 3:28pm

dave
maybe this was answered by the answer portion, but the point here is that the engine guys should not make the rescue. they should stretch the line. that would protect the egress as welll. the ladder makes the rescue and as the cockloft is clear, the "victim" can probably walk down the stairs. In the test world, this is known as a distractor. hope u did well
stay safe
aa