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"Outside The Box" Engine Company Operations


"Outside The Box" Engine Company Operations

Engine Company work is often viewed as easy or not as fulfilling as "Truck Company work". This is absolutely not the case and some very "high speed" Engine Companies go to work everyday in very tough and arduous environments. They are only successful by relying on their relentless training, personal experiences and hunger to progress in the engine world.

This group is geared toward Engine Company tactics that use "outside the box" thinking to accomplish. Its purpose is to exchange information that will help others that view the discussions, posts and pictures. 

Location: Kentland, Maryland, USA
Members: 166
Latest Activity: Oct 20, 2020


Discussion Forum

Going The Distance 8 Replies

While teaching and/or visiting a number of fire departments throughout the United States, I always make it a point to check out the Engine Company's hose loads and available lengths (pre-connected or not). One thing that seems to be common is that…Continue

Tags: Attack, Distance, Question, Plan, Length

Started by Chief Anthony Kelleher. Last reply by zachary wolf Nov 19, 2014.

Hose Racks 2 Replies

Many say that your company will be judged on your ability to recover at a significant incident. Hose Racks, although often used for stand-pipe operations, can be a life saver when needed to extend a line, no matter the environment (high-rise or…Continue

Started by Chief Anthony Kelleher. Last reply by Justin Renner Sep 14, 2013.

Innovative Ideas For "Making The Stretch" 1 Reply

The fire service is a great place with an enormous amount of talent. In this discussion, post photos of "outside the box" ideas for stretching attack lines. Whether it involves obstacles, getting to upper floors, using alternative access, etc.…Continue

Started by Chief Anthony Kelleher. Last reply by Timothy Patrick McCloskey Aug 24, 2013.

Chief Halton thanks for the invite

Tony I will join, but you and I both know the tower is where it's at!  LOL. BTW good forum Continue

Started by David Polikoff Aug 22, 2013.

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Comment by James J. Shea on September 5, 2018 at 1:18pm


Comment by David Polikoff on September 5, 2018 at 1:02pm
Many of us who are part of Fire Engineering digital world are on twitter, face book or you can send a message to any contributor and you should get a prompt answer.
Comment by James J. Shea on September 5, 2018 at 11:16am

Thanks  maybe try different posting

Comment by Fire Engineering on September 5, 2018 at 9:05am

James, many of these subgroups do not get as much use as they once did. If you have a specific question or comment, however, please post away.

Comment by James J. Shea on September 5, 2018 at 8:48am

does anyone use this site?   last entry was nov 2017

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Comment by Jerry McGhee on May 13, 2014 at 10:18pm

Very few department in my county (Kanawha, Co - WVa) have ladder companies. Charleston FD and a few volunteer department have ladders, but most are made up of volunteer departments that handle anything that comes in. I enjoy the life of the Engine Company but also like Rescue. Our area usually gets more rescue type calls than anything.

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Comment by Eric Michael Ziegelhofer on August 25, 2013 at 7:39pm

I too have been the engine guy at heart although I do like rescue company work. I had the fortunate training by a past chief who was also a past chief of a ladder company who always instilled that the truck company should have real estate in front or back of the building. While I agree that the engine company is where it's at and of course we do get to see a ton of fire, we've been fortunate including myself in making a grab. While the grabs are by textbook the truck or rescue companies jobs we all take part in those instances. As far as die hard truckies I give them their credit I mean come on when we the engine crews are taking a beating on the inside there's nothing more beautiful than hearing a saw running on the roof or windows being broken properly. As the past chief stated and instilled in me we can add a length or two or thirty to hose but you can't stretch a ladder. Now I do know your post isn't bashing the ladder company guys and its to promote good cohesive engine and ladder company operations we as the engine guys or girls need to give credit to everyone on the team. Again not saying or thinking you're bashing them one bit just adding my two cents. Yes I do look forward to making everyone better especially us on the engines!
Comment by Michael Allora on August 25, 2013 at 5:38pm

I've always been an engine guy at heart. I looked forward to the challenge of the spotting of the apparatus, the stretch of the hoseline, and the fight with the fire. Nothing against truck companies, but the engine is where I had an opportunity to understand the orchestration of the first alarm assignments and the coordination of companies operating at an incident. First due, second due, third due, it all came with a different set of responsibilities.

I'll be looking forward to the commentary. Thanks for the invitation Bobby.  


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