Russ you hit the nail on the head brother. Getting a charged hoseline to the seat of the fire is the single most important thing you can do. I know you guys have read the old sayings "As the first line goes, so goes the operation." "Put the fire out and 95% of your problems go away." What might work for you guys are two load off the rear using approx. 500' 2 1/2" reduced to 300' 13/4" w/ a 15/16" s/b tip. I don't know what else you have off the rear but then a third load of 600' 21/2" w/ a 1 1/8" s/b tip makes a nice back up line or large diameter attack line when if you run into an A.D.U.L.T.S. situation.
We've been using the preconnect load described by David. Ours are preconnected crosslays over the pump panel. Last year one of the guys who went to FDIC brought back the triple-layer and it's been a slow transition since. I really like the triple-layer for our district. It's mostly residential with a 30'-50' set-back and when you stretch the hose it's almost all out by the time you get to the door. And the bonus is much fewer kinks than with our current set-up. We do have some rural settings yet in our department. But in most of those situations we'll have to take the crosslays out and use 3" or larger to make up the distance.
I hope this is helpful to you. Have fun.
Bro...like I said before..we used it. It is great to get to the front door. If you don't have to go vertical, it is fantastic, but you still are dragging excess charged hoseline behind you. We should be all striving to have the first coupling and the nozzle at our knees when we put on our masks. The triple fold, there is 75 feet of hose behind you. If you have to go verticl, (upper floors) then you have to re-bundle 50 feet for the carry length.
I am not really sure about how I feel about the minute man load on a crosslay. We use pre connected minute man load's on our cross lays and they have a few disadvantages. 1. they only pull to one side. 2. if your like my dept you will most likley have a smooth bore on one crosslay and a fog on the other so depending on what side your engine is facing will determine if your going to use a fog or a smooth bore nozzle not the firefighter or the officer actually making the desicion. if you have a lot of new guys in and out of your department sometimes it's just easier to go with the good old basic flat load. everyone knows how to pack it, and you can't screw up when your pulling it.
Dave, we also use a Mattydale load. We have 2 200' and 2 300' Mattydales. On the 200' crosslays, they get laid in with no loops until you start the 3rd 50' length, and here there are 2 loops, one to each side. the lay continues until you reach the last 50' length where there are 2 loops one to each side and the remainder of the last 50' gets laid stacked atop itself, then the pipe is put on and a rubber band ( a strip of inner tube ) is stretched around the pipe and the last 50' of hose. This rubber band is pulled end loop through end loop and a wooden wedge is placed in the loop thus formed, making an easily carried bundle out of the pipe and first 50'. The wedge is usually joined to the rubber band with a string to keep them together after deploying or "breaking" the bundle. In practice, when you grab the top loop, you are pulling 50' on your shoulder and 50' is snaking off the top. The second FF grabs the second loop and that pulls the remaining 100' off. In reality, the first FF grabs the top loop, pulling the bundle off and onto his shoulder and grabs the second loop, pulling the rest off as he leaves the rig. I now paint the wooden wedges with bright orange spray paint because they were so hard to find amongst the fire debris at night and I was sick of losing them. The 300' crosslays are handled similarly except that the secondary loop is at the 150' mark (halfway) When you get to the point where you want to break the bundle, you pull the wedge out and the rubber band comes free. You now have the added advantage of having a door chock in your hand for the entry door.We make the two loops distinctly different sizes, about 24" for the one with the bundle and about 12-14" for the midway loop. When I get back to work I'll snap some pics so you can see what I'm talking about.
This works pretty good for us. We used to have the single loop at the bottom which only promoted the excited FF to skid the bed, leaving a huge pile of spaghetti next to the pump panel and an irate driver left to straighten the mess out. TJP
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