Pre arrival assignments

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Schwering on May 21, 2010 at 6:15pm

With our 2 eng out of one station, first in takes the fire, second engine picks up a plug. If the first due has a plug close, they may get their own water. 3rd eng may be a quint or an engine, and fourth and fifth are eng. Our companies, get water on the fire, our second eng is assigned search. The auto aid companies get put into place by the IC, whether myself as a Captain or one of the chiefs who has command. We get 4 engines and 1 quint on all fires in town.

Permalink Reply by Larry Glover on May 23, 2010 at 2:35pm

We use arrival assignments at Shelby. We have 2 engines, 1 quint (utilized as an engine, 1 ladder co. and shift/battalion chief.

1st Due Eng--Investigate, Suppression
2nd Due Eng--Help with Water Supply, Back-up line
3rd Due Eng--RIT assignment
Ladder Co.--2 teams (Capt & 1 FF) FE & Search, (Eng. & 1 FF-if lucky) Utilities & Outside Vent

The only tool assignment we have is the FF assigned to the Ladder Capt has the "irons". Other than that, most of our guys don't bring tools. Like Dave said "no consistent tools assignments" so the guys would rather go back to the rig to get what they need. Like the late Andrew Fredericks said "take the time to make the time".

Permalink Reply by Barry Harpur on May 24, 2010 at 12:40am

1st Eng.- 1st line
2nd Eng.- assist w/ 1st line
1st truck- fire floor
2nd Truck - floor above
3rd Eng. - 2nd line
4th Eng. - assist w/ 2nd line
3rd truck - FAST Truck

Permalink Reply by Mike France on June 29, 2010 at 8:46am

We do have Apparatus assignments , What we call a order of roll . each is assigned for different types of calls, as far as FF assigments that is left up to the officer of the apparatus to assign his crew, I as IC assign the apparatus to theri given assignement.

Permalink Reply by Mike France on June 29, 2010 at 9:39am

Chief- IC
1st Asst- Operations A/ B
2nd Asst- Operations C/D
Capt Safety- Accountibility
Lt Safety- Staging

Engine 64 - attack
Truck 63 - Ventilation/ search and rescue
ETA 61- Secondary engine company to E 64
R 60- manpower / air / rehab
RIT - MA dept- 2nd alarm
Rehab- MA dept.- 2nd. Alram
MA Engine - for Engine Compnay if needed

This is just for a Working Fire.

Mike France said:

We do have Apparatus assignments , What we call a order of roll . each is assigned for different types of calls, as far as FF assigments that is left up to the officer of the apparatus to assign his crew, I as IC assign the apparatus to theri given assignement.

Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault (ret) on June 29, 2010 at 11:01am

-Like many large cities, Albuquerque does use pre assignments for apparatus to incidents as a typical first alarm assignment will have nine companies responding from as many different firehouses in the city. These pre assignments are designed to eliminate confusion and redundancy and increase the speed of service delivery.
-Like all firefighting operations pre assignments can change depending on circumstances but usually run as:
The first company on scene will be the initial IC
1st arriving engine (depending on occupancy and fire showing) stretch initial line and/or establish water supply from a hydrant.
2nd arriving engine generally establish water supply to first engine and/or stretch back up line (not secondary line; there is a difference)
3rd arriving engine stretch secondary line and/or RIC as needed.
1st arriving ladder perform forcible entry and initiate primary search
2nd arriving ladder perform ventilation
Of the two ambulances, one establishes EMS sector while the other augments manpower anywhere on scene as needed.
Heavy Rescue to establish/tak over RIC
Squad Co. Safety sector
1st arriving BC takes over IC
2nd BC is IC assistant.

Permalink Reply by Jeff Schwering on June 29, 2010 at 11:09am

Amen, the back-up line does not put the fire out. Sorry, you back the first line up

Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault (ret) on June 29, 2010 at 11:10am

-Wow, another Brother that truly understands the subtleties and nuances in the art and craft that we call firefighting!! I knew I wasn't alone!!!

Dave LeBlanc said:

Michael Bricault said:

2nd arriving engine generally establish water supply and/or stretch back up line (not secondary line; there is a difference.

Yes there is a huge difference, and yet another "basic" that is getting lost in the shuffle.

Permalink Reply by Mike Walker on June 30, 2010 at 7:21am

In OKC we don't have pre-assignments for our apparatus but I definitely see the value in it. Though we don't have pre-assignments most fires run along a "typical" algorythm if you will. Typically the first Engine establishes it's water supply, lays in and commences fire attack. The second Engine either does search or pulls the back-up line. The third Engine either performs search or pulls the back-up line (which ever the 2nd doesn't). 4th Engine catches RIT. Ladder company typically does ventilation.

Sometimes, if the situation warrants, that order of assignment will change depending on the needs of the incident. It is up to the I/C.

Permalink Reply by Mike Walker on June 30, 2010 at 7:34am

I have implemented seat assignments for the apparatus in my Battalion. The Fire Chief doesn't require it. Since we've done it's worked great

Dave LeBlanc said:

Mike Walker said:

In OKC we don't have pre-assignments for our apparatus but I definitely see the value in it. Though we don't have pre-assignments most fires run along a "typical" algorythm if you will. Typically the first Engine establishes it's water supply, lays in and commences fire attack. The second Engine either does search or pulls the back-up line. The third Engine either performs search or pulls the back-up line (which ever the 2nd doesn't). 4th Engine catches RIT. Ladder company typically does ventilation.

Sometimes, if the situation warrants, that order of assignment will change depending on the needs of the incident. It is up to the I/C.

Mike, what about seat assignments on the apparatus? Does each seat have a certain responsibility, or is it as assigned?

Permalink Reply by Chris Piepenburg on June 30, 2010 at 12:44pm

In my department we have numerous SOGs that give pre-assignments for different types of fires, but it all depends on who arrives first and who shows up to run the show. When one follows the plan things go smooth and everyone knows what job they have to do, so radio traffic is limited and the work gets done. Many times though we have people arriving on scene and then asking what to do...Here is what you do - KNOW YOUR JOB AND GO TO WORK!! Sorry, just venting!!

Here are our assignments for a residential fire (unless deviation do to rescues)
E1 - Fire attack
E2 - Water Supply, 2nd hoseline
E3 - RIT
E4 - Back-up water
T1 - Split into 2 and 2, inside and outside functions
M1 - Assist with search or fire attack
M2 - Transport medic
BC1 - Command
BC2 - Point of most operational concern
Safety - Safety

Permalink Reply by Shareef Abdu Nur on February 10, 2011 at 5:22am

1st Eng Co - fire attack (3-4 members)

1st Truck C - F/E, Search, Vent (3-4 members)

2nd Eng Co - water supply, back up line(there's a critical difference between back up and 2nd lines) (3-4 members)

1st due ALS Squad/ambo - utilities, secondary search (2-3 members)

3rd due Eng Co - RIT, 2nd line(if needed) (3-4 members)

1st Chief - Command (1 member)

2nd Chief - Safety (1 member)

 

We are still working on designated seat/tool assignments, but this is our box assignment for structure fires.  The 1st alarm is 1 Eng Co and 1 Truck Co and the rest of the assignment is considered a 2nd alarm which is to be requested by the 1st due Officer. If the RIT is activated, a 3rd alarm is called  which brings a replacement Eng Co, an addional Truck Co, and an ALS Squad.  If there is a victim and the original ALS Squad needs to transport, then a replacement ALS Squad is requested.

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