How many rigs?

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Permalink Reply by Larry Lasich on June 25, 2009 at 6:55am

Bean,

There are several Chief Officers and planning types that are members of the site and I'm sure that any of them can direct you to the ISO information that you need.

Also, the site policy page that is linked in the block to the right (A message from Chief Halton) asks that all user accounts have your real name. If you could, go to your My Page tab, and change that please.

Thanks, and glad to have a new person in the knowledge base!

Larry

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Permalink Reply by Antiquefirelt on June 25, 2009 at 12:56pm

There are far too many variables for anyone to take the information given and give you any sort of reasonable answer. This type of thing would take a true evaluation of the size of the city, the geography, housing types, commercial/industrial prevalence and locations, years of previous run data, mutual aid potential, etc, etc. Certainly one area to look at is ISO regardless of how much we trust their system it's the one fairly consistent system in the US. There must be something in place now? Is there a problem? Are you looking to increase or downsize? Fires and fire departments are truly far too dynamic to apply some simple national matrices to figure out the answers.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault (ret) on June 28, 2009 at 11:23am

-NFPA 1710 spells out this information as well as several other standards. There are also great resources from the IAFF on this.
-Something else to consider is what the community is willing to pay for and how it is "sold" to the city fathers. Having call volume numbers available at this time will also be very helpful. Unfortunately, sometimes it comes down to justifying our existence to the bean counters.
-Typically a single story residential room and contents fire will require the response of two engines, one truck and one RIC for a total of 16 firefighters at a minimum to control safely and perform all benchmarks. This is following the NFPA guidelines with the OSHA requirement. There really is no way to get around this minimum response and still do the job safely and efficiently.

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Permalink Reply by Larry Lasich on June 28, 2009 at 1:10pm

Michael Bricault said:

-NFPA 1710 spells out this information as well as several other standards. There are also great resources from the IAFF on this.
-Something else to consider is what the community is willing to pay for and how it is "sold" to the city fathers. Having call volume numbers available at this time will also be very helpful. Unfortunately, sometimes it comes down to justifying our existence to the bean counters.
-Typically a single story residential room and contents fire will require the response of two engines, one truck and one RIC for a total of 16 firefighters at a minimum to control safely and perform all benchmarks. This is following the NFPA guidelines with the OSHA requirement. There really is no way to get around this minimum response and still do the job safely and efficiently.

This number doesn't include any medical sector for rehab or patient care, any managment staff or on deck FF so that you can rehab your interior crews. I've heard that 24-26 firefighters were needed for a bread and butter two story, wood frame, single family. Can't recall where though

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Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault (ret) on June 28, 2009 at 1:23pm

-Agreed. 26 is the information from IAFF research data based on nationwide studies. 16 is the minimum recommended by NFPA and supported by OSHA for safe operations.

Larry Lasich said:

Michael Bricault said:

-NFPA 1710 spells out this information as well as several other standards. There are also great resources from the IAFF on this.
-Something else to consider is what the community is willing to pay for and how it is "sold" to the city fathers. Having call volume numbers available at this time will also be very helpful. Unfortunately, sometimes it comes down to justifying our existence to the bean counters.
-Typically a single story residential room and contents fire will require the response of two engines, one truck and one RIC for a total of 16 firefighters at a minimum to control safely and perform all benchmarks. This is following the NFPA guidelines with the OSHA requirement. There really is no way to get around this minimum response and still do the job safely and efficiently.

This number doesn't include any medical sector for rehab or patient care, any managment staff or on deck FF so that you can rehab your interior crews. I've heard that 24-26 firefighters were needed for a bread and butter two story, wood frame, single family. Can't recall where though

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Permalink Reply by Joe McClelland on July 3, 2009 at 2:47pm

ISO Mitigation online web page has all the info you need for this question. Google ISO mitigation, it will take you to the site.

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