Mike and everyone else
How does the fan use affect the survivability of victms in a PD?
coordination is critical. Sometimes I think it what we forget in the fire service.
I think the fire service did it better when we didn;t have masks on because we had to then
Michael,
I'm a bit confused, in an earlier post on this thread you said "As to setting up the fan ahead of personnel moving in... I understand the thought process but in a PD situation I'm not a big "fan". We tend to not have as much "control" over the building as in a commercial or specifically an institutional".
"We typically use the PPV in a residential setting AFTER we have knocked down the fire and have established control over the situation".
If you typically wait to unleash the PPV until after the fire is under control, then you wouldn't have an issue with spreading or intensifying the fire. I was also curious about the "typical" types of construction you are dealing with down there.
Regarding the proper sequence of things on the fireground, the most pressing strategic priority will dictate that for you. If rescue is the strategic priority, then most tactical functions assigned must support addressing rescue as the strategic priority. That will mean stretching the attack line, coordinated ventilation, primary search etc…..
I must respectfully disagree with your characterization that search is the “most important” function on the fireground and that putting out the fire is an “added service”. Although rescue is often the strategic priority, if the initial attack line is not stretched in order to support rescue and if water is not applied to the seat of the fire, all parties including the occupants and our members are in greater peril. I believe that getting the initial attack line in service is the most important function providing the greatest tactical advantage in addressing any of the basic strategic priorities (RECEO). To further explore your argument, what if there is a mayday called? There is no doubt that rescue would again be the strategic priority; however, the confinement and extinguishment of the fire must continue not as an “added service’, but as the primary tactical function supporting the rescue.
If, as I suspect, you are a proud truckie (as I have been) extolling the virtues of aggressive truck work and the importance thereof, then please accept my apologies for taking issue. Perhaps you had your tongue firmly in cheek.
Art
Mike,
Some day, some pub.
I actually think we are in agreement, for the most part. I took issue with you initially stating that search is the “most important function” on the fireground. My point was that even when Rescue is the priority, several tactical functions will support Rescue as the strategic priority. The actual search will be one of those; however, the attack line, ventilation etc will all be functions supporting Rescue as the priority. Which of these is most important? It may be that the suppression of the fire will be most important, or ventilation…… However, in your most recent post you clarified your statement to say that search is the “most important priority” and if by search you mean rescue, then we are in agreement.
Rescue will always be the first strategic consideration and nearly always turns out to be the Strategic priority. Hence, initial tactical and task level functions must support rescue. We are in total agreement that Rescue is and should be the first consideration and if it is deemed the strategic priority, then everything supports rescue. There will be cases as I said in my last post where rescue may not be the Strategic priority. It will still be considered first; however, if the building is fully involved and/or a risk vs. benefit analysis determines that an aggressive interior search is not worth the risk, then, exposure protection or confinement may be the initial strategic priority.
Perhaps I was splitting hairs on your choice of words. Based on my job, I tend not to think of the tactical or task level functions as more or less important than the others. Each effects the other and the ability to perform these functions is largely based on the experience, talent, aggressiveness and training (among other things) of the companies involved. In my position, I need to look at the strategic profile and how all of the various tactical operations are impacting the strategy. Then adjust, change, continue with or scrap the plan.
Thanks again Mike, I’ll buy.
Art
We mostly do horizontal ventilation in St Louis. Good truck work and roof ventilation aren't as common as it used to be, primarily because under the "total quint concept", too many companies assigned to truck work really have an engine company mentality. The specialization of true truck work is all but lost. That's why I want to put more emphasis on truck work in our Academy and dept. training programs, hopefully to help bring this specialty back.
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