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At 2:24pm on March 3, 2012, John Probst said…

Hi Chief, had the pleasure of attending your class at FDIC and seeing your keynote speech a couple years ago. I showed your video to the guys today at the firehouse, get their spirt back up. They were asking about the article you were talking about fishing for real firemen. Do you know where I could find this. Thanks John Probst

At 6:30pm on January 8, 2012, Tommy Dixon said…

Hey Chief,

I am in the process of trying to make some positive change in my department. I have been doing a lot of research lately on nozzles, hose lines and the myth that a fog pattern will protect you. I feel as though I have a lot of good information to be heard by my department. I am simply just a firefighter with 5 years on the job and just under 2 years at my current department. Were no different in that we have  a lot of people who dont want/like change and think that as long as we keep putting the fires out then we must be doing something right. So why change they say? It is just hard to get people to hear you and actually listen when youre not an officer or have several years of experience. Do you have any advice and/or resources for proving some of the things I am trying to change??? One thing that scares me is that we dont even have an established standard fire flow for residential or high-rise/commercial fires. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

At 6:53pm on January 2, 2012, Joe Meyer said…

Just finished reading your book,reaaly enjoyed it !
Also seen your speech by web at FDIC wish I could have seen you in person !
I' m intrested in your work out program using highrise buildings.
Do you have a set program ? Do you complete it in turn out gear or gym clothing ? On air or off air .
What type of excercises do you add with the program ( as in the book. push ups btw floors )
I Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon !
Joe Meyer

At 10:54am on September 6, 2011, Lauren Heil said…

Hey Dave!

    My name is Lauren, I'm a journalism student at CSU writing a story about the 9/11 stair walk at Red Rocks happening this year. I was hoping to ask you a couple questions about it, and possibly include some of your input in my story?

At 11:33am on July 3, 2011, Stephen Savoca said…
Hi Chief, i had the pleasure of attending FDIC in 2009 ,  one course i attended was High- Rise Operations which you were the lead instructor. The training i received was eye -opening. Prior to the trip to FDIC my departments High Rise equipment consited of 1 3/4 attack line, and automatic nozzles. Soon after returning to my department we changed all our High Rise attack lines to 2 1/2 with smooth bore nozzles and continue to train in High Rise Operations as i was taught @ FDIC. I am a frequent visitor to and would  like to personally  thank you and the training staff for providing the invaluble training i received in Indy. Thanks 2nd Asst.Chief Steve Savoca
At 5:42am on July 22, 2010, Fred Bramston said…
Thanks for your quick reply Dave, much appreciated!
The on-line article is below with the relevant section copied and pasted below that.
Actually I can a benefit of having the male inside in that the hose can be fed from the shoulder when dispersing it, making it a faster lay, however having the butt already connected may cause difficulty where it would then be next to, and banging against, some part of the body when placed over one shoulder. This of course can be obviated by having a firm grip on that end of the bundle. Thanks, and sorry my first contact with you is over an "issue". -Fred
The high-rise hose pack should be assembled in the following manner:
Photos 1,2,3. Starting at the male coupling, measure 32 inches from the outside of the male coupling up the hose. With permanent black ink, mark the 32-inch mark (32"H/R) on both sides of the hose for future use. It is preferable that at least three firefighters be used to assemble the hose pack, to keep it as tight and as compact as possible.
Photo 4. At the 32-inch mark, make your first bend in the hose, and return back down to a point just short of the male coupling. Do not go past the coupling; this will keep the hose pack small and compact. (Going past the coupling with the hose will make the hose pack fat and bulky at the ends.)
At 10:43am on April 14, 2010, Greg Wyant said…
Chief I am looking for a hose pack for 2 1/2 that deploys eazy. I have been talking to some brothers with the F.D.N.Y also just trying to find the best for my dept , it has been a long battle to get them to agree to switch from 1 3/4 with turbojets to the 2 1/2 with solid stream so I want to come up with the best option out there.
At 3:02am on March 23, 2010, Lou Wilde said…
Hey Dave... glad to see you returning to BC and my home town in May of 2010.... wish i could be here when you come... you could bring the wife and we could host some wine toursbut we're going to Disneyland on the Sunday the 16th. I'm sure you will be well looked after. Take Care
At 3:42pm on March 8, 2010, Ty Clinton Eidam said…
I would like to know which 2.5" nozzles Denver Fire uses and where to purchase them.
Thank you,

At 11:52pm on February 24, 2010, Joe Pantaleo said…
Chief, really enjoyed talking high rise with ya in St. Charles IL the other day. Thanks for coming out! I took alot back home with me. Keep fighting the good fight, brother, and thanks again!
At 8:59am on January 20, 2010, MARTIN GUILBAULT said…
I'm From Montreal FD and I'm working on our new formation on High Rise. I'm chalenge by my Chiefs about PIP. Do you have good true examples where PIP was a good decision by the IC.

sorry for the english but that's my second language.

At 3:55pm on January 18, 2010, Mark Sicuso said…

hope all is well!! be safe brother!
At 5:47pm on January 14, 2010, Dave McGrail said…
Hello Art,

Happy New Year. Great to hear from you...

As for the SP Equipment, I recommend a separate Elbow, Akron Brass, #630 I think that's the #... And a separate SP Inline Pressure Gauge, I recommned Red Head Brass, #125...

I don't know of any Elbow / Gauge combination out there...

Any other questions, e-mail me at

Stay Low Brother,

Dave Mc.
At 12:45pm on January 14, 2010, Art Zern said…

I'm having trouble locating an elbow with gage, Do you have a supplier or do you use a regular fitting with gage and add the elbow? Any help would be appreciated.


At 8:58pm on January 1, 2010, Nick Morgan said…
Hi Dave,
I'm reading your book on Hi-Rise and Standpipe equipped buildings and really enjoying it. I'm back in a district with numerous older structures such as these, so the timing is perfect. Hopefully I can catch up with you at FDIC in 2010, I'd like to talk with you more about firefighting and preplanning in these structures.

Have a great and safe 2010!
At 4:45pm on October 21, 2009, Jeremy Williams said…
We are currently revamping our departments High Rise SOG. Long story short during training of stretching hose in an uncompromised stairwell we were reinforcing looping your nozzle section up the stairwell above the fire floor. During this we have come across an officer who states that "we never stretch an uncharged hose line above the fire floor." Of course I am not an officer and I happened to be doing the training the date this statement was made, lucky me. I am pretty up on my knowledge and took in the comment and tried to refer him to your book and articles primarily the 'stairwell stretch', but was un successful. He insisted that no matter what the situation, even in an uncompromised stairwell, we never stretch and uncharged hose line above the fire floor. I agree with the officer in certain situations his statement is true, but not in this one. I was looking for you opinion/view if you get a chance. Thanks.
At 9:31am on October 20, 2009, Chad Powell said…
I read your book on ops in standpipe-equipped bldgs. Great book. I am seeking your opinion about standpipes to help settle a debate. NFPA 14 indicates there are 3 classes of standpipes. In your book you have a fourth class listed. Do you feel there really are four classes or were you simply indicating that a class 4 standpipe is simply a misnomer?
Chad Powell
At 6:30pm on July 24, 2009, Mike Walker said…
Okay big problems in OKC...
The officer whom you had convinced to try smoothbores has decided to take them off his rig because he and his crew are now convinced it is because they put the smoothbores on their Engine is the reason they don't make fires anymore....:)
At 2:49am on July 23, 2009, Todd McKee said…
Hi Dave!
Could you contact me regarding coming to my firehouse and speak? My email is We are located in Central Ohio. I spoke to you the night before my class at FDIC at the FE booth. Thank you
Todd McKee
At 8:03pm on June 16, 2009, Richard Lafortune said…
Hi Dave,

One of my friends from MontrealFD is looking for SOP's about Highrise firefighting. He's been at the FDNY highrise symposium rhis year and he realised that we are far away from other FD about operations, As an example, as soon as we get in a highrise our first goal is to evacuate ALL the building, i mean ALL.
So we're trying to review all our method and adated it to new approch.

My first questions is would it be possible to get a few SOP's to evaluate methods from other FD?

Thanks for your help!

Another question, can he get in touch with you?

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