Fire Engineering Training Community

Where firefighters come to talk training

Fire First Mindset

These thoughts are geared towards dual role fire and EMS departments, which I’m sure makes up a lot of us. I work for a rural county department and I also volunteer at a larger suburban department, both of which have a dual mission of providing fire and EMS protection to the citizens we serve. I recently spent some time flow testing different types of hose and nozzle combinations to gain some insight into the tools we use. While sharing some of my initial and very informal findings, a coworker informed me that I spend (waste) too much time on fire related training and that “we’re an EMS department”. I disagree with both of those ideas, and my reasons are below.

First off, just because a dept is running a higher volume of EMS calls compared to fire, doesn’t mean they’re running high acuity EMS calls. Of all the calls we run an ambulance out the door with lights and sirens blaring, how many of them are we transporting with lights and sirens? My point here is that even though EMS calls may be the bulk of daily calls for service, how many are actually for a patient experiencing a true threat to life or limb? I’d venture to say that upwards of 80-90% of the patients we see are not experiencing that threat. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be prepared to handle the hard calls, just that those hard calls come at a much lower rate than we might realize.

Unless you’re running strictly EMS and have no fire suppression expectations, training, or capabilities, you are not an EMS department. You are a FIRE department with a high volume of EMS calls and low duty cycle for fire calls. I fear that not acknowledging that fact is a critical mistake that sets up the wrong mind set from the very beginning. Let me break that down some, if you don’t accept that first and foremost, your greatest responsibility to your citizens will be fire prevention and suppression, then your mind set is flawed. We are the first and last line of defense when the people we chose to protect are threatened with fire. There is no one else to call but us, and we must be prepared to meet that obligation.

EMS saves a life at a time. Good firemanship saves multiple lives at a time. Someone else’s shoddy firefighting skills won’t kill you on an EMS call, but they might very well kill you on the fireground. It is true that poor EMS skills may endanger a patient and we should be on top of that game also, however, there are resources available to us for the tough medical call. We can call a medic unit or an EMS supervisor. Patients don't get worse because we load them up and administer a diesel bolus to quickly get them the emergency department. If ground transport is too long, we have medevacs we can initiate to deliver a patient to definitive care in a fraction of the time a ride on the box takes. End of the day, there are generally additional resources we can seek on a difficult medical or trauma call. Do not for one second take my words here as a cop out to not be available to provide excellent, competent patient care if it is your duty to do so.

On the flip side of this, a fire will not be as forgiving as an EMS call might be, and there are no additional resources to ask for. A rough fire call is our problem to solve. Our citizens called us and no one else is coming. Yeah I know there is mutual aid and 2nd and 3rd due engines, but we’re going to rely on the next due company to show up and do our job? There isn’t another team of firefighters waiting to come fix it if we can’t. We’re not calling a firevac helicopter to take the structure to a NIST laboratory where we can fight the fire in a controlled environment with unchanging variables.

In refining this article I had the opportunity to bounce ideas off of Dennis LeGear, and this is what he had to add;

“There is no such thing as transporting a fire to a hospital, stabilizing it, and having days to deal with it's problems.  Time can not be bought at a structure fire, the clock is ticking and the cure (water=life) has to be applied properly through coordination of members on scene.  At the same time their actions also must rescue those in harms way.  The developing structure fire is critically ill from the get go.  Only the first due agency and really the actions of the first companies have a shot at a cure that leaves life and property intact.  An ER/ED team represents years of training, millions of dollars of equipment, and decades of learning and continued education to hone their trade-craft.  Can we say the same thing when looking at a first alarm assignment in our agencies? After all we are tasked with the same thing, saving and preserving life.” -Dennis LeGear

In areas where we don’t see much fire it’s easy to become complacent. It’s easy to stop focusing on training for fire when it’s not an event we’re often confronted with. It’s easy to fall into the “it doesn’t happen here” attitude and I believe that saying EMS is our bread and butter is falling into that exact mindset. It can’t happen here. It won’t happen here. We never see fire. Until we do see it, until it does happen here. If you’re not training on fire and you’re experiencing positive outcomes on fire calls, you’re not being successful, you’re getting lucky. Luck doesn’t cut it on this job, and someday that luck will run out.

We owe it to ourselves, our team, our families, and our citizens to be prepared to solve their problems. This isn’t an attack on EMS in the fire service, just a rejection that EMS is more important than fire.  As LT McCormack says, keep fire in your life. Don’t fall into the “it doesn’t happen here” trap. It will happen here, and we have chosen to deal with it. Knock the rust off, stay dirty!

Thank you to the mentors out there that have helped me organize these thoughts and encouraged me to put them in writing. Also, thank you to those that have justified my position and reminding me I’m not alone in my beliefs. Keith Niemann and Dennis LeGear, thank you for the ideas you shared with me that drove my thoughts on this.

Views: 857


You need to be a member of Fire Engineering Training Community to add comments!

Join Fire Engineering Training Community

Comment by Cody S. Anderson on November 26, 2014 at 1:20am

Great thoughts.

One of the issues at hand is that EMS has a different mission and history than Fire. I like to say the history of the Maltese Cross is different than the history of the Star of Life. No slams to either one. They just have different perspectives and histories. The history of the Maltese Cross goes back hundreds of years and is focused on putting the public first. It is a simple reality of the fire service that firemen (gender neutral term) will risk their lives to save someone else's life. That is the whole foundation of the mission. It always has been. I hope it always will be. It is what sets the American Fire Service apart from everything else. It is what has given us the hard earned respect from the public at large. They know (and many have proven this with their lives) that if a fireman is faced with a decision to give his or her life to save someone else's, that fireman will choose every time to place the citizen's life above their own. That's why they respect us. That's why they value us. It's just that simple. That's the history of the Maltese Cross.

The history of the Star of Life is different. No less noble. Just different. It comes from the training and teachings of nurses and doctors. They have a different mission than firemen. In our EMS training we are taught from day one that your safety is paramount. Nothing is more important. If the scene is not safe, we don't go there until it is. That's medical community training. It was introduced to us when the medical community taught us EMS back in the 70s and 80s. If you are a private or municipal EMS agency that only does EMS, that is sound doctrine and should be followed. If you are a fire based EMS system, you can't adopt that logic. If you do you will be confusing the two different missions. You may begin to think that you are number 1. You may begin to place your safety first and may begin to neglect the all important fire training that allows you to safely place the well being of the public you serve, first. As Lt McCormack so frequently says, if the public ever thinks the American Fire Service has begun placing themselves first and the public second, then we stand to lose the trust and respect that was so dearly purchased and we become just like everyone else; we are in it for ourselves.

In the end, if you are going to truly believe that the public's safety is paramount, then you better not slack off on your fire training. It is the primary thing that will allow you to hold true to the history of the Maltese Cross and live to tell about it. Hopefully it goes without saying that I'm not talking about doing stupid stuff like not wearing your seat belt, or like not flowing enough water, or not wearing your SCBA, or your PPE etc. We don't help anyone by cutting those corners. I am talking about putting fire training first and doing it often and focusing on the basics and increasing the likelihood that when the public needs you to make those risks, you will be in a position to put the public first and go home healthy and happy after the shift.

Policy Page


The login above DOES NOT provide access to Fire Engineering magazine archives. Please go here for our archives.


Our contributors' posts are not vetted by the Fire Engineering technical board, and reflect the views and opinions of the individual authors. Anyone is welcome to participate.

For vetted content, please go to

We are excited to have you participate in our discussions and interactive forums. Before you begin posting, please take a moment to read our community policy page.  

Be Alert for Spam
We actively monitor the community for spam, however some does slip through. Please use common sense and caution when clicking links. If you suspect you've been hit by spam, e-mail

FE Podcasts

Check out the most recent episode and schedule of


© 2024   Created by fireeng.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service