Fire Engineering Training Community

Where firefighters come to talk training

This post is just a simple challenge of tactical considerations.  The photos that are posted show a single-family house that had fire venting from the C/D corner when first units arrived.  The first in crews could not make the entire hallway on the first push do to intense heat and smoke.

The smoke was banked almost to the floor even with the fire venting from that corner bedroom.

What are some considerations that must be looked at with this fire?  What would be your next plan of action?  Why ist there so much heat and smoke with the fire venting the exterior?  What is your size up?

Share your thoughts and answers with everyone and use this as discussion with your crew.  

As always, train hard and stay safe,

Jason

Views: 236

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

-Jason, you say that companies couldn't make the hall on the first push. And yet when I look at the photos I have to wonder, "why the hell are the windows still in tact"?

-I understand that the photos are a moment captured in time. Evaluating the scenario you give using these pictures raises these questions.

-Take the windows out and the heat and smoke condition will improve. Not venting the windows in these photos is a tactical mistake that would have changed the outcome in the scenario. 

-With aggressive window venting this should be a very routine fire. There is no need for vertical venting; horizontal window venting can be performed quickly and easily providing results immediately, allowing the engine to push in easily and quickly. 

-There are far to many pictures from the fireground showing this very scenario over and over. Horrendous conditions to fire companies, serious fires that should have been routine and buildings sustaining heavy damage with all the windows in tact.

-Glass is one of the easiest and lest expensive things to replace in a structure. Glass is also the fastest, easiest, lest manpower intensive routes for immediate ventilation.

-"Vent and ye shall live"

That is actually a part of why I posted this.  Normally this fire would have had the windows taken a lot sooner and I don't have a good reason why they were not.  In addition, the second in crew started pulling ceiling when the first team backed out and found a lot of fire and smoke above them.  Your right and hopefully someone will read your comments and put it to good use at their next fire.
FYI, I was not in charge of this fire.  It all ended good too.

Jason Hoevelmann said:
That is actually a part of why I posted this.  Normally this fire would have had the windows taken a lot sooner and I don't have a good reason why they were not.  In addition, the second in crew started pulling ceiling when the first team backed out and found a lot of fire and smoke above them.  Your right and hopefully someone will read your comments and put it to good use at their next fire.

Regarding taking out the windows.  I would refer readers to the following link:

http://content.learnshare.com/courses/73/306714/player.html

 

Also I would suggest visiting the following blog:

http://cfbt-us.com/wordpress

 

I think we need to re-think "the way we have always done it" pertaining to opening the place up.  I advocate the the use of PPA when appropriate and as part of my teaching of PPA, I am in the process of revising my suggested SOG for implementing PPA to take into consideration controlling the creation of an air tracks to the fire.        

Reply to Discussion

RSS

Policy Page

PLEASE NOTE

The login above DOES NOT provide access to Fire Engineering magazine archives. Please go here for our archives.

CONTRIBUTORS NOTE

Our contributors' posts are not vetted by the Fire Engineering technical board, and reflect the views and opinions of the individual authors. Anyone is welcome to participate.

For vetted content, please go to www.fireengineering.com/issues.

We are excited to have you participate in our discussions and interactive forums. Before you begin posting, please take a moment to read our community policy page.  

Be Alert for Spam
We actively monitor the community for spam, however some does slip through. Please use common sense and caution when clicking links. If you suspect you've been hit by spam, e-mail peter.prochilo@clarionevents.com.

FE Podcasts


Check out the most recent episode and schedule of
UPCOMING PODCASTS

Groups

© 2024   Created by fireeng.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service