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Attack These Doors: Part 2

Remember these doors……?

Well, since posting these doors and asking how to force them, I have been inundated with requests for a view from the inside.

When I took these pictures originally, we were training on the roof of a vacant Value City building and were not sure about permission to actually enter the building.

So, since then we were granted permission to make entry, using our Knox Box keys, and take a look around. I found the interior side of these doors to be interesting.

This is the view from the interior of those doors from the original post.

Does this view change anything that you might have thought about doing in regards to forcible entry?

The drop bar is not in place and that is how we found it. It looks pretty harmless from this side of the door.

But, we did take a look at another set of doors that you might be interested in and they might be more of a challenge.

Take a look at these…..

What is your first impression with this set of doors?

Concerns or difficulties that you can see?

These are not too disimilar form the other set of doors.

Here is what the inside looks like……

Okay, there you have it and let us know what you see and what you would do.

Are there any special considerations that you see or would like to share?

Again, post your comments and share your knowledge, we really appreciate it.

Stay safe and train hard.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault (ret) on November 17, 2010 at 1:57pm

-The interior view shows that these doors shouldn't be that difficult for a properly trained and equipped firefighting company.
-We have had experience with doors that are very similar and they are unbelievably easier to defeat than one would think. A company using two halligan bars and a driving tool should have no real trouble getting in.
-The job of the door and lock assembly is first and foremost, to look formidable. To intimidate a would be trespasser into thinking that this entry point is well fortified.
-Conventional FE will work well on the first set of doors. Nothing unusual here. The lock will be easily defeated with just the adz blade being driven in.
-In the second set of doors one halligan would be used to gain a purchase point to insert the other halligan. Both tools would then be used in tandem to pull the door. Remember, even though these locks look tough we are only trying to defeat the throw of the lock. And the point at which the panic hardware enters the floor is still relatively small.
-Once we get a good purchase point, a real good hold of the door, applied force will defeat the locking throw assembly.
-I would however have a saw ready while attempting conventional FE techniques. Though the saw will work it is very time consuming. And the thing everyone forgets about FE is that it is all about one think.... TIME.
-If we had time we could look for another way in. If we had time we could wait for the key. FE is used to circumvent the time factor. Consequently, techniques must be geared for producing the best results in the shortest amount of time.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Hoevelmann on November 17, 2010 at 2:23pm

Thanks, Brick, nice points and thanks for sharing.

Michael Bricault said:

-The interior view shows that these doors shouldn't be that difficult for a properly trained and equipped firefighting company.
-We have had experience with doors that are very similar and they are unbelievably easier to defeat than one would think. A company using two halligan bars and a driving tool should have no real trouble getting in.
-The job of the door and lock assembly is first and foremost, to look formidable. To intimidate a would be trespasser into thinking that this entry point is well fortified.
-Conventional FE will work well on the first set of doors. Nothing unusual here. The lock will be easily defeated with just the adz blade being driven in.
-In the second set of doors one halligan would be used to gain a purchase point to insert the other halligan. Both tools would then be used in tandem to pull the door. Remember, even though these locks look tough we are only trying to defeat the throw of the lock. And the point at which the panic hardware enters the floor is still relatively small.
-Once we get a good purchase point, a real good hold of the door, applied force will defeat the locking throw assembly.
-I would however have a saw ready while attempting conventional FE techniques. Though the saw will work it is very time consuming. And the thing everyone forgets about FE is that it is all about one think.... TIME.
-If we had time we could look for another way in. If we had time we could wait for the key. FE is used to circumvent the time factor. Consequently, techniques must be geared for producing the best results in the shortest amount of time.

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