OK! I have a question. I have brought this up to the past few groups I have worked with. It stems from the video of the kids (recruit firefighters) from the DC area putting on the demonstration to the pre-school kid and they get burned. If you haven’t seen it – here is a short clip. Demo very short.wmv
This also springs from recent firefighter injuries and fatalities. Guys falling through fire weakened floors. Here is my question?
“How do you know when it’s getting too hot”?
When I fought fires (when I actually crawled around inside) we had no hoods and rubber ¾ length pull up hip boots. My dad told me “if you’re ears start to get hot – you need to evaluate your environment”. If I was crawling on a floor with fire underneath me, I knew it because my knees would start to heat up (quick).
The manufacturers of our turnout gear today have done a fantastic job of protecting us. They say that there are built in thermal barriers to keep heat away from the body. In fact, they say that if you are getting hot in your bunker gear, so hot that it is getting very uncomfortable very quickly, you are in too much heat and you are very close to being in trouble.
So I go back to the question! “How do you know when it’s getting too hot”? If it’s too hot when you begin to feel it – how do you really know?
We used to use our exposed skin to tell us. We’re supposed to have no more exposed skin. If it were me today, I’d expose something! My wrist or cheek comes to mind. I don't mean I would not wear one glove or not wear a hood. I mean I would stop occasionally (as the officer for sure) and quickly expose something and mentally compare it with may previous (exposures).
As I stated in the beginning of the Blog – I asked many firefighters recently and no one really gave me an answer. I got a lot of looks – but no hands went up! No volunteers! No answer! Am I right, do you still expose skin or is there another way. I hope it’s not waiting till your helmet eye shield starts to melt over your SCBA facepiece. Please – serious question! “How do you know when it’s getting too hot”?
Thanks Aj - Mike, That is your opinion and I respect that. I believe that when you can feel "hot" through your gear as AJ said - it;s dangerously hot in that area. So I go back to the original question" What can we do so we don't get to the point of feeling heat?" The only thing I can come up with is what I have stated. If you have ideas please provide them. Please don't include things that are beyond the control of the searcher such as "controlling the environment". That shouldn't be your focus as a searcher. If you are "controlling the environment "- are you "searching"??? Please help and tell us how you do it in Albuquerque short of and prior to feeling heat on your face.
There isn’t one that I have found, heard of, or tried other than being prepared for what changes might occur while inside a structure. Proper size up, smoke reading, building construction and all other aspects being done properly is the way to prevent getting your men in danger. Now as far as not feeling heat inside a structure, I guess get promoted because your gonna feel it. If it hurts then you are in to deep but simply feeling atmosphere changes is the way to tell how hot its getting. Any of my men ever remove a piece of PPE or purposefully expose skin inside a structure I’m going to blow my mind as any company officer should. I think that your question may it be a good one, does not have an answer sir. You are going to feel heat in a fire, there is no way around it. When we do camp fires in a training building (small middle room burns ) that are far from being the magnitude of a true working fire situation you feel heat. Now it doesn’t burn or hurt but you feel the temperature change. It’s the name of the game, has been and will continue to be up to the day they replace us with something better.
Aj Bonnett
Jun 14, 2010
Skip Coleman
Jun 14, 2010
Dan Rice
There isn’t one that I have found, heard of, or tried other than being prepared for what changes might occur while inside a structure. Proper size up, smoke reading, building construction and all other aspects being done properly is the way to prevent getting your men in danger. Now as far as not feeling heat inside a structure, I guess get promoted because your gonna feel it. If it hurts then you are in to deep but simply feeling atmosphere changes is the way to tell how hot its getting. Any of my men ever remove a piece of PPE or purposefully expose skin inside a structure I’m going to blow my mind as any company officer should. I think that your question may it be a good one, does not have an answer sir. You are going to feel heat in a fire, there is no way around it. When we do camp fires in a training building (small middle room burns ) that are far from being the magnitude of a true working fire situation you feel heat. Now it doesn’t burn or hurt but you feel the temperature change. It’s the name of the game, has been and will continue to be up to the day they replace us with something better.
Be Aggressive,
Dan
Aug 1, 2011