I am in the process of trying to make some positive change in my department. I have been doing a lot of research lately on nozzles, hose lines and the myth that a fog pattern will protect you. I feel as though I have a lot of good information to be heard by my department. I am simply just a firefighter with 5 years on the job and just under 2 years at my current department. Were no different in that we have a lot of people who dont want/like change and think that as long as we keep putting the fires out then we must be doing something right. So why change they say? It is just hard to get people to hear you and actually listen when youre not an officer or have several years of experience. Do you have any advice and/or resources for proving some of the things I am trying to change??? One thing that scares me is that we dont even have an established standard fire flow for residential or high-rise/commercial fires. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Chief, Just finished reading your book,reaaly enjoyed it ! Also seen your speech by web at FDIC wish I could have seen you in person ! I' m intrested in your work out program using highrise buildings. Do you have a set program ? Do you complete it in turn out gear or gym clothing ? On air or off air . What type of excercises do you add with the program ( as in the book. push ups btw floors ) I Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon ! Joe Meyer gobucks6@juno.com
At 10:54am on September 6, 2011, Lauren Heil said…
Hey Dave!
My name is Lauren, I'm a journalism student at CSU writing a story about the 9/11 stair walk at Red Rocks happening this year. I was hoping to ask you a couple questions about it, and possibly include some of your input in my story?
Hi Chief, i had the pleasure of attending FDIC in 2009 , one course i attended was High- Rise Operations which you were the lead instructor. The training i received was eye -opening. Prior to the trip to FDIC my departments High Rise equipment consited of 1 3/4 attack line, and automatic nozzles. Soon after returning to my department we changed all our High Rise attack lines to 2 1/2 with smooth bore nozzles and continue to train in High Rise Operations as i was taught @ FDIC. I am a frequent visitor to firenuggets.com and would like to personally thank you and the training staff for providing the invaluble training i received in Indy. Thanks 2nd Asst.Chief Steve Savoca
Thanks for your quick reply Dave, much appreciated!
The on-line article is below with the relevant section copied and pasted below that.
Actually I can a benefit of having the male inside in that the hose can be fed from the shoulder when dispersing it, making it a faster lay, however having the butt already connected may cause difficulty where it would then be next to, and banging against, some part of the body when placed over one shoulder. This of course can be obviated by having a firm grip on that end of the bundle. Thanks, and sorry my first contact with you is over an "issue". -Fred
http://www.fireengineering.com/index/articles/display/61584/articles/fire-engineering/volume-152/issue-7/features/high-rise-standpipe-hose-packs-a-primer-part-1.html
The high-rise hose pack should be assembled in the following manner:
Photos 1,2,3. Starting at the male coupling, measure 32 inches from the outside of the male coupling up the hose. With permanent black ink, mark the 32-inch mark (32"H/R) on both sides of the hose for future use. It is preferable that at least three firefighters be used to assemble the hose pack, to keep it as tight and as compact as possible.
Photo 4. At the 32-inch mark, make your first bend in the hose, and return back down to a point just short of the male coupling. Do not go past the coupling; this will keep the hose pack small and compact. (Going past the coupling with the hose will make the hose pack fat and bulky at the ends.)
Chief I am looking for a hose pack for 2 1/2 that deploys eazy. I have been talking to some brothers with the F.D.N.Y also just trying to find the best for my dept , it has been a long battle to get them to agree to switch from 1 3/4 with turbojets to the 2 1/2 with solid stream so I want to come up with the best option out there.
Chief,
I would like to know which 2.5" nozzles Denver Fire uses and where to purchase them.
Thank you,
Ty
At 12:52am on February 25, 2010, Joe Pantaleo said…
Chief, really enjoyed talking high rise with ya in St. Charles IL the other day. Thanks for coming out! I took alot back home with me. Keep fighting the good fight, brother, and thanks again!
As for the SP Equipment, I recommend a separate Elbow, Akron Brass, #630 I think that's the #... And a separate SP Inline Pressure Gauge, I recommned Red Head Brass, #125...
I don't know of any Elbow / Gauge combination out there...
Any other questions, e-mail me at dmcgraildenverfd@msn.com
I'm having trouble locating an elbow with gage, Do you have a supplier or do you use a regular fitting with gage and add the elbow? Any help would be appreciated.
Hi Dave,
I'm reading your book on Hi-Rise and Standpipe equipped buildings and really enjoying it. I'm back in a district with numerous older structures such as these, so the timing is perfect. Hopefully I can catch up with you at FDIC in 2010, I'd like to talk with you more about firefighting and preplanning in these structures.
Okay big problems in OKC...
The officer whom you had convinced to try smoothbores has decided to take them off his rig because he and his crew are now convinced it is because they put the smoothbores on their Engine is the reason they don't make fires anymore....:)
Hi Dave!
Could you contact me regarding coming to my firehouse and speak? My email is toddcmckee@yahoo.com. We are located in Central Ohio. I spoke to you the night before my class at FDIC at the FE booth. Thank you
Todd McKee
One of my friends from MontrealFD is looking for SOP's about Highrise firefighting. He's been at the FDNY highrise symposium rhis year and he realised that we are far away from other FD about operations, As an example, as soon as we get in a highrise our first goal is to evacuate ALL the building, i mean ALL.
So we're trying to review all our method and adated it to new approch.
My first questions is would it be possible to get a few SOP's to evaluate methods from other FD?
Chief,
Just finished reading your book,reaaly enjoyed it !
Also seen your speech by web at FDIC wish I could have seen you in person !
I' m intrested in your work out program using highrise buildings.
Do you have a set program ? Do you complete it in turn out gear or gym clothing ? On air or off air .
What type of excercises do you add with the program ( as in the book. push ups btw floors )
I also agreed with and enjoyed your ideas on using 2 1/2 hose.
My department still believes 1 3/4 can be used for everything ! You know the salesman from Task Force tips says we get 225 gpm with 1 3/4 hose and a task force tip ( Yea Right)
We use have 2 1/2 ' hose now only 1 3/4 for handlines 3 " and 5 " for supply lines!
What do I know,I;m a lowly Captain !
Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon !
Joe Meyer gobucks6@juno.com
Hi. I watched a FDIC online class that I think you taught on High rise fires. You showed test your department did to prove the use of the 2.5" handline. It was presented in a chart form. I was wondering If I could get that information. I am having a hard time convincing the higher ups we should really consider this. Thanks for your time, hope to hear from you. This was the only way I could find to contact you. Thanks again. Justin Keller jkvette719@sbcglobal.net
Thank you for your dedication, insight and willingness to give back to the service. I really enjoyed both your keynote and small venue talks at the FDIC. Your willingness to speak about incidents at home without dragging your colors through the mud was refreshing and important.
Your continued discussion regarding complacency, laziness and the belief that it won't happen today really hit home with me. I have been on the same track for some time and with your additional insight, I have continued to have this discussion while teaching the Fire Officer series in Illinois.
I listened to your Keynote on the web. Great job brother. Hope all is well with you and yours. We'll finish the department's High-Rise training next week. You will never know how much I appriciate what you and your guys did to help.
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Hey Chief,
I am in the process of trying to make some positive change in my department. I have been doing a lot of research lately on nozzles, hose lines and the myth that a fog pattern will protect you. I feel as though I have a lot of good information to be heard by my department. I am simply just a firefighter with 5 years on the job and just under 2 years at my current department. Were no different in that we have a lot of people who dont want/like change and think that as long as we keep putting the fires out then we must be doing something right. So why change they say? It is just hard to get people to hear you and actually listen when youre not an officer or have several years of experience. Do you have any advice and/or resources for proving some of the things I am trying to change??? One thing that scares me is that we dont even have an established standard fire flow for residential or high-rise/commercial fires. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Chief,
Just finished reading your book,reaaly enjoyed it !
Also seen your speech by web at FDIC wish I could have seen you in person !
I' m intrested in your work out program using highrise buildings.
Do you have a set program ? Do you complete it in turn out gear or gym clothing ? On air or off air .
What type of excercises do you add with the program ( as in the book. push ups btw floors )
I Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon !
Joe Meyer gobucks6@juno.com
Hey Dave!
My name is Lauren, I'm a journalism student at CSU writing a story about the 9/11 stair walk at Red Rocks happening this year. I was hoping to ask you a couple questions about it, and possibly include some of your input in my story?
The on-line article is below with the relevant section copied and pasted below that.
Actually I can a benefit of having the male inside in that the hose can be fed from the shoulder when dispersing it, making it a faster lay, however having the butt already connected may cause difficulty where it would then be next to, and banging against, some part of the body when placed over one shoulder. This of course can be obviated by having a firm grip on that end of the bundle. Thanks, and sorry my first contact with you is over an "issue". -Fred
http://www.fireengineering.com/index/articles/display/61584/articles/fire-engineering/volume-152/issue-7/features/high-rise-standpipe-hose-packs-a-primer-part-1.html
The high-rise hose pack should be assembled in the following manner:
Photos 1,2,3. Starting at the male coupling, measure 32 inches from the outside of the male coupling up the hose. With permanent black ink, mark the 32-inch mark (32"H/R) on both sides of the hose for future use. It is preferable that at least three firefighters be used to assemble the hose pack, to keep it as tight and as compact as possible.
Photo 4. At the 32-inch mark, make your first bend in the hose, and return back down to a point just short of the male coupling. Do not go past the coupling; this will keep the hose pack small and compact. (Going past the coupling with the hose will make the hose pack fat and bulky at the ends.)
I would like to know which 2.5" nozzles Denver Fire uses and where to purchase them.
Thank you,
Ty
hope all is well!! be safe brother!
Happy New Year. Great to hear from you...
As for the SP Equipment, I recommend a separate Elbow, Akron Brass, #630 I think that's the #... And a separate SP Inline Pressure Gauge, I recommned Red Head Brass, #125...
I don't know of any Elbow / Gauge combination out there...
Any other questions, e-mail me at dmcgraildenverfd@msn.com
Stay Low Brother,
Dave Mc.
I'm having trouble locating an elbow with gage, Do you have a supplier or do you use a regular fitting with gage and add the elbow? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Art
I'm reading your book on Hi-Rise and Standpipe equipped buildings and really enjoying it. I'm back in a district with numerous older structures such as these, so the timing is perfect. Hopefully I can catch up with you at FDIC in 2010, I'd like to talk with you more about firefighting and preplanning in these structures.
Have a great and safe 2010!
Nick
The officer whom you had convinced to try smoothbores has decided to take them off his rig because he and his crew are now convinced it is because they put the smoothbores on their Engine is the reason they don't make fires anymore....:)
Could you contact me regarding coming to my firehouse and speak? My email is toddcmckee@yahoo.com. We are located in Central Ohio. I spoke to you the night before my class at FDIC at the FE booth. Thank you
Todd McKee
One of my friends from MontrealFD is looking for SOP's about Highrise firefighting. He's been at the FDNY highrise symposium rhis year and he realised that we are far away from other FD about operations, As an example, as soon as we get in a highrise our first goal is to evacuate ALL the building, i mean ALL.
So we're trying to review all our method and adated it to new approch.
My first questions is would it be possible to get a few SOP's to evaluate methods from other FD?
Thanks for your help!
Another question, can he get in touch with you?
Just finished reading your book,reaaly enjoyed it !
Also seen your speech by web at FDIC wish I could have seen you in person !
I' m intrested in your work out program using highrise buildings.
Do you have a set program ? Do you complete it in turn out gear or gym clothing ? On air or off air .
What type of excercises do you add with the program ( as in the book. push ups btw floors )
I also agreed with and enjoyed your ideas on using 2 1/2 hose.
My department still believes 1 3/4 can be used for everything ! You know the salesman from Task Force tips says we get 225 gpm with 1 3/4 hose and a task force tip ( Yea Right)
We use have 2 1/2 ' hose now only 1 3/4 for handlines 3 " and 5 " for supply lines!
What do I know,I;m a lowly Captain !
Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon !
Joe Meyer gobucks6@juno.com
Great presentation at FDIC. I bought your book, can't wait to read it. Lot's of similarities between our two FD's.
Stay safe!
Nick
Thank you for your dedication, insight and willingness to give back to the service. I really enjoyed both your keynote and small venue talks at the FDIC. Your willingness to speak about incidents at home without dragging your colors through the mud was refreshing and important.
Your continued discussion regarding complacency, laziness and the belief that it won't happen today really hit home with me. I have been on the same track for some time and with your additional insight, I have continued to have this discussion while teaching the Fire Officer series in Illinois.
Thank you for your continuing contribution.
Art
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