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We have been trying to adopt high-rise packs modeled after DFD. I have been recieving flack, and one of the argument is that somewhere a firefighter was killed because he couldn't get the pack off his bottle. Does anyone know anything about this? I have been unable to find any information.

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I've never heard of that before. Smell's like B.S to me.

However, I've been hearing rave reviews about the New York fold. I haven't seen it, but tons of people are claiming it's even better then the Denver fold. If you can find someone who can demonstrate the New York fold, I'ld chek it out before any commitment is made.
Thanks that was what I was thinking also. Is there anyone who has a link to the NY fold?
Denver pack is nice I am pretty sure either fire engineering or someone else has it online on how its laid out. With the Denver pack you do not have to carry it on your bottle carry it over the shoulder is just as good. NY fold is also ok but the Denver fold I think is a little better to carry if you carry them around a lot. NY fold is short and kinda a stiff board on your shoulder. Where as the Denver fold hangs over your shoulder so you can hold a tool or whatever...
Don't have a link for NY fold but I'll give you the text from FDNY Engine Company OPs. Ch. 7

- lay 1 length of hose folded halfway w/ the 2 butts side by side. Facing butts, male butt is on your left.
- (for nozzle length) attach nozzle and fold hose in half so that nozzle tip is on your left even w/ the female butt.
(not from Ch. 7) - keep hose touching and fold non-butt end to almost even w/ butts. Keep hose together.
- fold like that 2 more times.
- take completed folds and turn them over so that the male butt is placed on the right of the folded length.
- secure completed folds w/ strap connector on top w/ butts. Straps must be tight enough so butts will not flop around.

I'll try and get the pictures scanned in to computer


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