What terminology does your department use for a MAYDAY? - Fire Engineering Training Community2024-03-29T15:17:52Zhttps://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A85329&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A61956&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThere are many follow-up MAYD…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-10-15:1219672:Comment:877582008-10-15T18:07:39.217ZDerek Alkonishttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/DerekAlkonis
There are many follow-up MAYDAY radio transmissions being used around the country. The IAFF/IAFC Fire Ground Survival Program currently being developed has elected to advocate the use of the 3 W's or "Who" is calling? "Where" are you? and "What" is your emergency? The program gives instruction to first transmit MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY to get the attention of the IC and to clear the radio of all traffic. The follow-up transmission is then given after the IC requests the distressed FF to…
There are many follow-up MAYDAY radio transmissions being used around the country. The IAFF/IAFC Fire Ground Survival Program currently being developed has elected to advocate the use of the 3 W's or "Who" is calling? "Where" are you? and "What" is your emergency? The program gives instruction to first transmit MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY to get the attention of the IC and to clear the radio of all traffic. The follow-up transmission is then given after the IC requests the distressed FF to “identify.” This reduces the length of the radio transmissions and helps prepare all on the incident to listen carefully to the distressed FF’s follow-up radio transmission. The content of the 3W's is also found in mnemonics such as LUNAR, HELP, LIP and CLAN. Because you're familiar with LUNAR this what the others stand for: HELP stands for "Handle," or firefighters name and rank, "Equipment," or equipment the person is assigned, "Location" or where the firefighter is located, and "Problem". LIP stands for "Location" or where are you?, "Individual", Who are you?, and "Problem". CLAN stands for "Conditions," "Location," "Assignment or Apparatus," and "Name". I'm very familiar with LUNAR.…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-10-15:1219672:Comment:877362008-10-15T17:16:56.716ZJay Lowryhttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_1oysbgycakudt
I'm very familiar with LUNAR. What are some other acronyms for calling a mayday?
I'm very familiar with LUNAR. What are some other acronyms for calling a mayday? thanks for the reply. i am gl…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-10-09:1219672:Comment:857012008-10-09T03:14:11.958ZDaryl Ligginshttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/Daryl22
thanks for the reply. i am glad to hear that the change is being considered by the powers that be
thanks for the reply. i am glad to hear that the change is being considered by the powers that be Our company uses LUNAR . Loca…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-10-09:1219672:Comment:856772008-10-09T01:54:27.519ZMichael T Rapcavagehttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/MichaelTRapcavage
Our company uses LUNAR . Location Unit Name Assignment Resources. Our training officers are very big on mayday training. A transmission would go as follows MAYDAY, MAYDAY,MAYDAY. I'm 20feet in on the B/C side 378 FF Rapcavage interior search, send FAST then activate PASS alarm and conserve air. Just remember "It can happen here". Take Care Brothers
Our company uses LUNAR . Location Unit Name Assignment Resources. Our training officers are very big on mayday training. A transmission would go as follows MAYDAY, MAYDAY,MAYDAY. I'm 20feet in on the B/C side 378 FF Rapcavage interior search, send FAST then activate PASS alarm and conserve air. Just remember "It can happen here". Take Care Brothers Daryl,
Mayday was restricted…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-10-08:1219672:Comment:853832008-10-08T13:10:46.049ZDerek Alkonishttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/DerekAlkonis
Daryl,<br />
Mayday was restricted from use within FIRESCOPE because of a few members who long ago beleived that it could cause confusion with vessels at sea and aircraft flying in the area where a fire was occuring. Although there has not been any documented problem with aircraft, vessel and firefighting communication interference, FIRESCOPE still felt it necessary to ban the use of MAYDAY within California. In fact, the same person who led the charge within FIRESCOPE also found it important enough…
Daryl,<br />
Mayday was restricted from use within FIRESCOPE because of a few members who long ago beleived that it could cause confusion with vessels at sea and aircraft flying in the area where a fire was occuring. Although there has not been any documented problem with aircraft, vessel and firefighting communication interference, FIRESCOPE still felt it necessary to ban the use of MAYDAY within California. In fact, the same person who led the charge within FIRESCOPE also found it important enough to add the same language within the NFPA standars. So now even though NFPA does allow the use of MAYDAY, it includes language that states that it should not be used by FD's where marine and aircraft are operating. The bottom line...The marine and aircraft confusion is a bogus argument that FIRESCOPE and NFPA have bought into that makes no sense. However, the good news is that the word on the street is that FIRESCOPE is looking into making a change to include the term MAYDAY within the FOG. With the IAFF, IAFC and the National Fire Academy using the term, it just makes good sense for California to follow suit. If you want to help California make the change write to the FIRESCOPE Board requesting they include the term MAYDAY within the FOG. "Emergency traffic" "Emergenc…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-10-08:1219672:Comment:853292008-10-08T04:50:03.027ZDaryl Ligginshttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/Daryl22
"Emergency traffic" "Emergency traffic" makes me think that someone is going to say that there are some power lines down in the rear of the building or a wall is about to collapse. I am also in California and I can't stand it. It is also a mouthful to say when you are in trouble. Question: Why is California concerned that by definition mayday is for marine and aircraft emergencies? It is a fire service industry standard to use the term "mayday". When a mayday is given, it is on the fireground…
"Emergency traffic" "Emergency traffic" makes me think that someone is going to say that there are some power lines down in the rear of the building or a wall is about to collapse. I am also in California and I can't stand it. It is also a mouthful to say when you are in trouble. Question: Why is California concerned that by definition mayday is for marine and aircraft emergencies? It is a fire service industry standard to use the term "mayday". When a mayday is given, it is on the fireground channel and you are identifying who you are and where you are. I can't imagine the air traffic controllers are going to jump out of their seat wondering what plane is going down.<br />
Daryl Our Department is a combinati…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-09-17:1219672:Comment:803642008-09-17T16:06:16.021ZWayne Benner Jrhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/Casper
Our Department is a combination department and is located in the Niagara Region of Ontario Canada. 10 minutes from the Buffalo NY border. We use NIMS which i dont like. I prefer ICS.<br />
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And we use MAYDAY. Emergency Traffic is used as well but only when someone urgently needs to relate a message such as the Roof company relating roof conditons, Safety Officer has a concern or S&R team finds a victim. Of course when a MAYDAY is called. The I/C will relate to "Radio Traffic" which in our…
Our Department is a combination department and is located in the Niagara Region of Ontario Canada. 10 minutes from the Buffalo NY border. We use NIMS which i dont like. I prefer ICS.<br />
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And we use MAYDAY. Emergency Traffic is used as well but only when someone urgently needs to relate a message such as the Roof company relating roof conditons, Safety Officer has a concern or S&R team finds a victim. Of course when a MAYDAY is called. The I/C will relate to "Radio Traffic" which in our Department means only VITAL info should be relayed.<br />
In a Mayday situation we dont have all of our tasked crews stop what their doing they proceed as long as they are not in Immediate danger. The attack crew hits the fire, as they be the reason for the Mayday. An interior Search team may start the F.A.S. Drew,
"We have about as much…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-09-17:1219672:Comment:803352008-09-17T13:47:12.935ZLarry Lasichhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/Larry77
Drew,<br />
"We have about as much change of small farm animals falling out of our rectums as we do hearing aircraft or boats on our Fireground. And we operate less than a mile from the beach......"<br />
Word!<br />
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A well timed injection of humor is an important part of rehab.<br />
Keep it lite, Brother!
Drew,<br />
"We have about as much change of small farm animals falling out of our rectums as we do hearing aircraft or boats on our Fireground. And we operate less than a mile from the beach......"<br />
Word!<br />
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A well timed injection of humor is an important part of rehab.<br />
Keep it lite, Brother! I was reading NFPA 1500 and b…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-09-17:1219672:Comment:802962008-09-17T04:39:12.536ZDrew Smithhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/DrewSmith
I was reading NFPA 1500 and believe it or not the document discourages the use of the term as it is allegedly for aeronautics and marine use and could be confusing? We cover a busy airport and having spent a whole bunch of time listening to the air traffic WHICH IS ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BANDWIDTH/RADIO FREQUENCY I doubt any brother would confuse a FF mayday with an aircraft mayday. If you did not hear the Air Alaska cockpit to air traffic control audio (can be found with Google) the pilot…
I was reading NFPA 1500 and believe it or not the document discourages the use of the term as it is allegedly for aeronautics and marine use and could be confusing? We cover a busy airport and having spent a whole bunch of time listening to the air traffic WHICH IS ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BANDWIDTH/RADIO FREQUENCY I doubt any brother would confuse a FF mayday with an aircraft mayday. If you did not hear the Air Alaska cockpit to air traffic control audio (can be found with Google) the pilot is calm and collected even though his plane eventually flips and crashes into the ocean. All the other pilots who see his are just a cool AND NO ONE CALLED A MAYDAY.<br />
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We use MAYDAY and follow Dr. Clark's NFA model mayday LUNAR program. K.I.S.S! I work in Montana and we set…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-09-16:1219672:Comment:801552008-09-16T21:14:11.141ZLarry Lasichhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/Larry77
I work in Montana and we set up ICS on all calls, to include EMS.<br />
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Mayday traffic is reserved for Firefighter (lost, injured, trapped) emergencies. Emergency traffic is for any other priority situation; evacuation, moving from offensive to defensive, found patient, water supply/pump operation issues, etc.
I work in Montana and we set up ICS on all calls, to include EMS.<br />
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Mayday traffic is reserved for Firefighter (lost, injured, trapped) emergencies. Emergency traffic is for any other priority situation; evacuation, moving from offensive to defensive, found patient, water supply/pump operation issues, etc.