DRD (Drag Rescue Device) - Fire Engineering Training Community2024-03-29T15:23:53Zhttps://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A63762&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A54596&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe DRD is to be used in an e…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-01-02:1219672:Comment:1098132009-01-02T19:34:52.013ZCurtis Aalbuhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/CurtisAalbu
The DRD is to be used in an emergency. Common sense tells you if you are dragging a coat over a rough surface it will tear the coat. Depending on what you outer shell is it could be worse. Also there are some variations in were the exact location of the DRD is. Some would make it very dificult to be used. Others have it in the collar so it can be deployed more easily.<br />
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Just some toughts
The DRD is to be used in an emergency. Common sense tells you if you are dragging a coat over a rough surface it will tear the coat. Depending on what you outer shell is it could be worse. Also there are some variations in were the exact location of the DRD is. Some would make it very dificult to be used. Others have it in the collar so it can be deployed more easily.<br />
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Just some toughts good point ant but while the…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-12-30:1219672:Comment:1089752008-12-30T17:37:02.553ZAnthony Avillohttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/AnthonyAvillo
good point ant but while the members are fumbling with the webbing in the zero visibility, i can have the strap deployed and start the pull The 2: 1 and the riggging can be done by the RIC while I am pulling the guy closer to them -- it is the best of both worlds<br />
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the DRD is not the total solution but aquick attempt to fix a problem in a desperate situation<br />
i would race u (or any RIC team) on this anyday<br />
we just puttogether some trainngminutes on the DRD and the @:1 drags -- check them out --…
good point ant but while the members are fumbling with the webbing in the zero visibility, i can have the strap deployed and start the pull The 2: 1 and the riggging can be done by the RIC while I am pulling the guy closer to them -- it is the best of both worlds<br />
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the DRD is not the total solution but aquick attempt to fix a problem in a desperate situation<br />
i would race u (or any RIC team) on this anyday<br />
we just puttogether some trainngminutes on the DRD and the @:1 drags -- check them out -- they will be up soon<br />
be safe<br />
aa Chief,
The problem that I se…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-12-28:1219672:Comment:1084722008-12-28T10:10:45.597ZAnthony Riehlhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/AnthonyRiehl
Chief,<br />
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The problem that I see with the DRD is the snag potential. As with your pet piev on helmet straps mine is on the amount of crap we carry on our turnout that has the potential to get caught to me this is just one more thing that could get us in trouble(after all lets try not to get ourselves into trouble in the first place). I've found during drill that using the pack and a short piece of webbing proves to be effective. If the team needs assistance getting the member up the stairs you…
Chief,<br />
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The problem that I see with the DRD is the snag potential. As with your pet piev on helmet straps mine is on the amount of crap we carry on our turnout that has the potential to get caught to me this is just one more thing that could get us in trouble(after all lets try not to get ourselves into trouble in the first place). I've found during drill that using the pack and a short piece of webbing proves to be effective. If the team needs assistance getting the member up the stairs you could run a rope down and threw the downed members scba and rig a quick 2:1 system it sounds like alot especially in the dark but it actually goes quite smooth. Hope all is well. Anthony. In developing the "yoc Strap"…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-12-10:1219672:Comment:1044332008-12-10T21:42:19.513ZDenny Corrhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/DennyCorr
In developing the "yoc Strap" Yocco drag resue device, It was assumed the downed firefighter was incapacitated and probably unconscious. The first pull of the DRD should be fast and hard to set high on the shoulder and armpit. A DRD training coat with armpit padding or a dummy[ rookie new john] would be ideal. Pain was not the issue. Easy deployment in a dark smoke filled envirement. Fast escape with the victim. Is the goal. You are on the right track in your training chief.<br />
Denny…
In developing the "yoc Strap" Yocco drag resue device, It was assumed the downed firefighter was incapacitated and probably unconscious. The first pull of the DRD should be fast and hard to set high on the shoulder and armpit. A DRD training coat with armpit padding or a dummy[ rookie new john] would be ideal. Pain was not the issue. Easy deployment in a dark smoke filled envirement. Fast escape with the victim. Is the goal. You are on the right track in your training chief.<br />
Denny Corr<br />
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<cite>Anthony Avillo said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://fefdic.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1219672%3ATopic%3A54596#1219672Comment55209"><div>we did alot of work with the device yesterday and came up with some cool stuff --- will be in an article in july or so<br/> by the way, the straight vertical pull nearly strangled the guy who was playing the victim -- all his weight winds up under his arms and it causes his chin to ride up and his head to cinch down -- can see why it is not recommended for vertical pull</div>
</blockquote> I can second this. We were do…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-07-03:1219672:Comment:651132008-07-03T21:52:31.627ZScott Simmonshttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/ScottSimmons
I can second this. We were doing some low profile emergency escape training and mine became entangled twice, in two different scenarios. This is a new addition to my department's gear so no one else had a DRD, so I don't know if they would've had the same problem as me. I was able to untangle myself from it but it definetly slowed me down. Food for thought I guess.
I can second this. We were doing some low profile emergency escape training and mine became entangled twice, in two different scenarios. This is a new addition to my department's gear so no one else had a DRD, so I don't know if they would've had the same problem as me. I was able to untangle myself from it but it definetly slowed me down. Food for thought I guess. Chief, I have had a few issue…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-06-27:1219672:Comment:639912008-06-27T04:20:08.321ZTodd McKeehttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/Todd
Chief, I have had a few issues with it. We were training and a few students got it caught on nails when breaching a wall. I must also let you know that it was tucked in. Todd
Chief, I have had a few issues with it. We were training and a few students got it caught on nails when breaching a wall. I must also let you know that it was tucked in. Todd We just got all new gear boug…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-06-26:1219672:Comment:637622008-06-26T16:37:14.703ZWilliam Hersmanhttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_3jset11m30482
We just got all new gear bought with a AFG grant and we have many drills and training on using the DRD we encourage the members to use it for rit training. WE have Mayday traing were the members have to rescue a fireman by using the DRD you can never train to much on a new piece of equiment.
We just got all new gear bought with a AFG grant and we have many drills and training on using the DRD we encourage the members to use it for rit training. WE have Mayday traing were the members have to rescue a fireman by using the DRD you can never train to much on a new piece of equiment. thanks
all experience is good…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-06-23:1219672:Comment:630922008-06-23T20:18:10.043ZAnthony Avillohttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/AnthonyAvillo
thanks<br />
all experience is good experience, but always more valuable if it is passed on<br />
stay safe<br />
aa
thanks<br />
all experience is good experience, but always more valuable if it is passed on<br />
stay safe<br />
aa We had some RIT training toda…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-06-22:1219672:Comment:628372008-06-22T02:34:22.948ZCpt Wonkkahttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/CptWonkka
We had some RIT training today. They pushed webbing real heavy. 1 of the insturtors showed us an article on this. It stated that during a wall breach the DRG became intangled on a sheetrock nail. The fire fighter could not disintangle himself from because it became to intangled on the nail. Makes me second guess the use of these types of recue devices. After the RIT training it seems to me that the best approach for down firefighter extraction would be simply to use the air pack handles or…
We had some RIT training today. They pushed webbing real heavy. 1 of the insturtors showed us an article on this. It stated that during a wall breach the DRG became intangled on a sheetrock nail. The fire fighter could not disintangle himself from because it became to intangled on the nail. Makes me second guess the use of these types of recue devices. After the RIT training it seems to me that the best approach for down firefighter extraction would be simply to use the air pack handles or such. Easy to use with gloved hands and is quick. Time would be concern while doing the extracation so we teach the use of the straps on the packs. It does seem to wear the guys down more. But I am firm believer in train as you fight. Hope this helps we have seen that happen
the…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2008-06-17:1219672:Comment:620442008-06-17T15:51:59.644ZAnthony Avillohttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/AnthonyAvillo
we have seen that happen<br />
the DRD is designed for quick use by someone who does not know rescue knots, handcuff knots, doesn't often carry webbing or any of the other ff-rescue stuff. not everyone wil be an expert and most will s**t thier pants if ever faced with the need so....<br />
while it does have drawbacks, it is better than having nothing and that is what i think it is meant for
we have seen that happen<br />
the DRD is designed for quick use by someone who does not know rescue knots, handcuff knots, doesn't often carry webbing or any of the other ff-rescue stuff. not everyone wil be an expert and most will s**t thier pants if ever faced with the need so....<br />
while it does have drawbacks, it is better than having nothing and that is what i think it is meant for