Snake In The Grass - Fire Engineering Training Community2024-03-29T16:00:46Zhttps://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145868&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPatti, no offense taken. Now…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-17:1219672:Comment:1462932009-06-17T03:57:52.904ZMarty Mayeshttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_200blnsu5b1gs
Patti, no offense taken. Now I'm sorry you mis-took what I said as being offended. It is the one problem I have with post, you simply cannot hear voice inflection or read body language, which serves as much better forms of communication. I truly enjoyed what you had to say. Please accept my reply with it's true intention of open and honest fire service communication.<br />
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Thanks,Marty<br />
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Patti, no offense taken. Now I'm sorry you mis-took what I said as being offended. It is the one problem I have with post, you simply cannot hear voice inflection or read body language, which serves as much better forms of communication. I truly enjoyed what you had to say. Please accept my reply with it's true intention of open and honest fire service communication.<br />
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Thanks,Marty<br />
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<cite>Patti Valero said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&page=2#1219672Comment146019"><div>Oh dear....My intention was not to insult or question your devotion to the Fire Service but only to serve as an example of being a good leader of people and keeping our attitudes in check. It was not directed at you.<br/> If I created confusion please accept my apology.<br/>
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</blockquote> Oh dear....My intention was n…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-15:1219672:Comment:1460192009-06-15T16:11:09.756ZPatti Valerohttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_2y08l3jtzlzm4
Oh dear....My intention was not to insult or question your devotion to the Fire Service but only to serve as an example of being a good leader of people and keeping our attitudes in check. It was not directed at you.<br />
If I created confusion please accept my apology.<br />
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<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&page=2#1219672Comment145808"><div>Ok Patti, You have me thinking but I'm not sure what your poem…</div>
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Oh dear....My intention was not to insult or question your devotion to the Fire Service but only to serve as an example of being a good leader of people and keeping our attitudes in check. It was not directed at you.<br />
If I created confusion please accept my apology.<br />
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<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&page=2#1219672Comment145808"><div>Ok Patti, You have me thinking but I'm not sure what your poem means at the end of my day. I feel there is always room for me to improve my style of management. It is interesting that when I showed this particular rookie the pic,I was merely handing the issue of FE over for his reading pleasure.He asked what I had just smiled at.So I handed the issue to him. He took it to mean I was calling him the snake in the grass.So you are right in your first post, he was touchy-feely about it. So I guess I don't see myself as "the frustrated officer, with a bad attitude." I like the metaphors of looking in the mirror and so on but I will admit, I'm an old captain, who still thinks the job is filled with truly inspired people. Inspired people tend to be passionate, therefore vocal by default. I like that in my guys at the end of the day. So when I compliment Paul's toon for the reaction given by my rookie, I see passion and inspiration. Some people see bad attitude, I see a rookie who truly cares what I think of him, or he would not care enough to react so strongly. It's my chance to fine tune his attitude and show where and when to use it. I.E., my comment for him to use the attitude on the fire ground.<br/> <br/>
So thanks for your passion and inspiration,Patti. Proof positive of what kind of people are in the fire service.<br/>
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Marty<br/>
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<cite>Patti Valero said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145796&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145796"><div>Hmmmmm.....I think your story about your rookie proves what I had to say. Sadly.<br/> <br/> I'm starting with the man in the mirror and i'm asking him to change his ways,<br/>
For no message could have been any clearer,<br/>
If you wanna' make the world a better place,<br/>
take a look at yourself and make the change.<br/>
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<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145701&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145701"><div>Paul,<br/> <br/> Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he added,"captain...... sir"<br/> I told him if he can get as much attitude with fire as he just displayed to me, he might go somewhere on this job.<br/>
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So even though he was not able to throw it away, a think your editorial illustrator ego was still stroked.<br/>
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Marty</div>
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John K. John…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-14:1219672:Comment:1458682009-06-14T13:03:20.655ZPaul Combshttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/PaulCombs
Thanks, John!<br />
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<cite>John K. Johnson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145796&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145810"><div>Paul, every illustration that you do have GREAT MEANING to them. With that being said you don't have to read into your illustrations. They are want we are in the fire service. We see it in career and volunteer departments around the United States everyday. Keep…</div>
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Thanks, John!<br />
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<cite>John K. Johnson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145796&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145810"><div>Paul, every illustration that you do have GREAT MEANING to them. With that being said you don't have to read into your illustrations. They are want we are in the fire service. We see it in career and volunteer departments around the United States everyday. Keep up the great work, some of us are getting your message everyday and trying to spread the word. JKJ<br/> <br/>
<cite>Paul Combs said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145808&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145621"><div>Ah, now I know it was a good illustration - someone threw it in the trash. Strange way to feel gratitude, but for an editorial illustrator, it's music to my ears. The point of my work is not necessarily to preach to the choir, but to hit the ones that need a "punch in the gut". Kudos, Wally, for taking the initiative to make a difference in your FD! And thanks for sharing the compliment:)<br/> Paul<br/> <br/>
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<cite>Shawn "Wally" Weilamann said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145613&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145613"><div>I think this is a great cartoon that stresses a pressing issue, especially in my department. It is true that once the head of the department turns and just handles BS with more BS it starts a dangerous attitude shift. I cut this out of fire engineering mag and posted it on the station whiteboard with the message is this you? it only laste 3 1/2 hours before someone threw it out.</div>
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</blockquote> Paul, every illustration that…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-14:1219672:Comment:1458102009-06-14T02:50:53.504ZJohn K. Johnsonhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/JohnKJohnson
Paul, every illustration that you do have GREAT MEANING to them. With that being said you don't have to read into your illustrations. They are want we are in the fire service. We see it in career and volunteer departments around the United States everyday. Keep up the great work, some of us are getting your message everyday and trying to spread the word. JKJ<br />
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<cite>Paul Combs said:…</cite>
Paul, every illustration that you do have GREAT MEANING to them. With that being said you don't have to read into your illustrations. They are want we are in the fire service. We see it in career and volunteer departments around the United States everyday. Keep up the great work, some of us are getting your message everyday and trying to spread the word. JKJ<br />
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<cite>Paul Combs said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145808&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145621"><div>Ah, now I know it was a good illustration - someone threw it in the trash. Strange way to feel gratitude, but for an editorial illustrator, it's music to my ears. The point of my work is not necessarily to preach to the choir, but to hit the ones that need a "punch in the gut". Kudos, Wally, for taking the initiative to make a difference in your FD! And thanks for sharing the compliment:)<br/> Paul<br/>
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<cite>Shawn "Wally" Weilamann said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145613&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145613"><div>I think this is a great cartoon that stresses a pressing issue, especially in my department. It is true that once the head of the department turns and just handles BS with more BS it starts a dangerous attitude shift. I cut this out of fire engineering mag and posted it on the station whiteboard with the message is this you? it only laste 3 1/2 hours before someone threw it out.</div>
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</blockquote> Ok Patti, You have me thinkin…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-14:1219672:Comment:1458082009-06-14T02:30:45.717ZMarty Mayeshttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_200blnsu5b1gs
Ok Patti, You have me thinking but I'm not sure what your poem means at the end of my day. I feel there is always room for me to improve my style of management. It is interesting that when I showed this particular rookie the pic,I was merely handing the issue of FE over for his reading pleasure.He asked what I had just smiled at.So I handed the issue to him. He took it to mean I was calling him the snake in the grass.So you are right in your first post, he was touchy-feely about it. So I guess…
Ok Patti, You have me thinking but I'm not sure what your poem means at the end of my day. I feel there is always room for me to improve my style of management. It is interesting that when I showed this particular rookie the pic,I was merely handing the issue of FE over for his reading pleasure.He asked what I had just smiled at.So I handed the issue to him. He took it to mean I was calling him the snake in the grass.So you are right in your first post, he was touchy-feely about it. So I guess I don't see myself as "the frustrated officer, with a bad attitude." I like the metaphors of looking in the mirror and so on but I will admit, I'm an old captain, who still thinks the job is filled with truly inspired people. Inspired people tend to be passionate, therefore vocal by default. I like that in my guys at the end of the day. So when I compliment Paul's toon for the reaction given by my rookie, I see passion and inspiration. Some people see bad attitude, I see a rookie who truly cares what I think of him, or he would not care enough to react so strongly. It's my chance to fine tune his attitude and show where and when to use it. I.E., my comment for him to use the attitude on the fire ground.<br />
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So thanks for your passion and inspiration,Patti. Proof positive of what kind of people are in the fire service.<br />
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Marty<br />
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<cite>Patti Valero said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145796&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145796"><div>Hmmmmm.....I think your story about your rookie proves what I had to say. Sadly.<br/> <br/>
I'm starting with the man in the mirror and i'm asking him to change his ways,<br/>
For no message could have been any clearer,<br/>
If you wanna' make the world a better place,<br/>
take a look at yourself and make the change.<br/>
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<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145701&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145701"><div>Paul,<br/> <br/> Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he added,"captain...... sir"<br/>
I told him if he can get as much attitude with fire as he just displayed to me, he might go somewhere on this job.<br/>
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So even though he was not able to throw it away, a think your editorial illustrator ego was still stroked.<br/>
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Marty</div>
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</blockquote> Hmmmmm.....I think your story…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-13:1219672:Comment:1457962009-06-13T22:00:13.980ZPatti Valerohttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_2y08l3jtzlzm4
Hmmmmm.....I think your story about your rookie proves what I had to say. Sadly.<br />
<br />
I'm starting with the man in the mirror and i'm asking him to change his ways,<br />
For no message could have been any clearer,<br />
If you wanna' make the world a better place,<br />
take a look at yourself and make the change.<br />
<br />
<cite>Marty Mayes said:…</cite>
Hmmmmm.....I think your story about your rookie proves what I had to say. Sadly.<br />
<br />
I'm starting with the man in the mirror and i'm asking him to change his ways,<br />
For no message could have been any clearer,<br />
If you wanna' make the world a better place,<br />
take a look at yourself and make the change.<br />
<br />
<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145701&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145701"><div>Paul,<br/> <br/>
Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he added,"captain...... sir"<br/>
I told him if he can get as much attitude with fire as he just displayed to me, he might go somewhere on this job.<br/>
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So even though he was not able to throw it away, a think your editorial illustrator ego was still stroked.<br/>
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Marty</div>
</blockquote> Thanks for sharing, Captain.…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-13:1219672:Comment:1457072009-06-13T03:02:47.243ZPaul Combshttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/PaulCombs
Thanks for sharing, Captain. It's all about making a difference!<br />
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<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145701&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145701"><div>Paul,<br></br> <br></br> Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he…</div>
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Thanks for sharing, Captain. It's all about making a difference!<br />
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<cite>Marty Mayes said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145701&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145701"><div>Paul,<br/> <br/>
Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he added,"captain...... sir"<br/>
I told him if he can get as much attitude with fire as he just displayed to me, he might go somewhere on this job.<br/>
<br/>
So even though he was not able to throw it away, a think your editorial illustrator ego was still stroked.<br/>
<br/>
Marty</div>
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Let me give you a huge…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-13:1219672:Comment:1457012009-06-13T02:11:33.103ZMarty Mayeshttps://community.fireengineering.com/xn/detail/u_200blnsu5b1gs
Paul,<br />
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Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he added,"captain...... sir"<br />
I told him if he can get as much attitude with fire as he just displayed to me, he might go somewhere on this job.<br />
<br />
So even though he was not able to throw it away, a think your editorial illustrator ego was still stroked.<br />
<br />
Marty
Paul,<br />
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Let me give you a huge compliment! When I showed a rookie riding my engine, he gave me a seven letter two word response to your toon. We stood eye to eye for a minute or so, then he added,"captain...... sir"<br />
I told him if he can get as much attitude with fire as he just displayed to me, he might go somewhere on this job.<br />
<br />
So even though he was not able to throw it away, a think your editorial illustrator ego was still stroked.<br />
<br />
Marty Ah, now I know it was a good…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-12:1219672:Comment:1456212009-06-12T11:19:51.999ZPaul Combshttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/PaulCombs
Ah, now I know it was a good illustration - someone threw it in the trash. Strange way to feel gratitude, but for an editorial illustrator, it's music to my ears. The point of my work is not necessarily to preach to the choir, but to hit the ones that need a "punch in the gut". Kudos, Wally, for taking the initiative to make a difference in your FD! And thanks for sharing the compliment:)<br />
Paul<br />
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<cite>Shawn "Wally" Weilamann said:…</cite>
Ah, now I know it was a good illustration - someone threw it in the trash. Strange way to feel gratitude, but for an editorial illustrator, it's music to my ears. The point of my work is not necessarily to preach to the choir, but to hit the ones that need a "punch in the gut". Kudos, Wally, for taking the initiative to make a difference in your FD! And thanks for sharing the compliment:)<br />
Paul<br />
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<cite>Shawn "Wally" Weilamann said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://community.fireengineering.com/forum/topic/show?page=2&commentId=1219672%3AComment%3A145613&id=1219672%3ATopic%3A143821&x=1#1219672Comment145613"><div>I think this is a great cartoon that stresses a pressing issue, especially in my department. It is true that once the head of the department turns and just handles BS with more BS it starts a dangerous attitude shift. I cut this out of fire engineering mag and posted it on the station whiteboard with the message is this you? it only laste 3 1/2 hours before someone threw it out.</div>
</blockquote> I think this is a great carto…tag:community.fireengineering.com,2009-06-12:1219672:Comment:1456132009-06-12T04:48:52.875ZShawn "Wally" Weilamannhttps://community.fireengineering.com/profile/ShawnWeilamann
I think this is a great cartoon that stresses a pressing issue, especially in my department. It is true that once the head of the department turns and just handles BS with more BS it starts a dangerous attitude shift. I cut this out of fire engineering mag and posted it on the station whiteboard with the message is this you? it only laste 3 1/2 hours before someone threw it out.
I think this is a great cartoon that stresses a pressing issue, especially in my department. It is true that once the head of the department turns and just handles BS with more BS it starts a dangerous attitude shift. I cut this out of fire engineering mag and posted it on the station whiteboard with the message is this you? it only laste 3 1/2 hours before someone threw it out.