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Asbury Park chief touts regional fire protection

By Ed Johnson • STAFF WRITER • April 13, 2008

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Asbury Park Fire Chief Kevin Keddy said he's not trying to pour gasoline on the fire, but he can foresee the day when a regional fire department will service communities in Monmouth County.

It's a volatile subject, he admits, one that touches on such issues as home rule and local pride, and sparks the suspicions of some volunteer fire companies that it's little more than a subterfuge to eliminate them.

Add to those suspicions that it's a ploy to hire more firefighters or even give Keddy a shot at commanding the regional force, and it becomes a tougher sell, he said.

In a sense, regionalization of a sort exists already in mutual aid agreements between departments, Keddy said. But those agreements are a patchwork of response commitments cobbled together among the 132 separate fire services that span the county, he said.

Keddy's view of the future is more expansive.

"If you look at it objectively, we would be able to provide a better service," he said. "I'm not trying to take anything away from anybody, but if you look at accepted practice, we don't put the amount of people we should on our fire calls."

Asbury Park has gone on record supporting the concept. The city has issued a support statement that reads in part:

"The City of Asbury Park and its Fire Department support, in principle, the concept of regionalization and consolidation as one manner of delivering firefighting, technical rescue, and emergency medical services."

But as with most such statements, it's long on principle and short on specifics.

Which is part of the problem with regionalization discussions, public safety officials said.

"I think most people are supportive of regionalization," said William Richards, Long Branch public safety director. "It's just picking what model you're going to use."

It's also an issue that has been discussed by police, fire and emergency services for more than 30 years, said Eatontown Borough Administrator George S. Jackson, who oversees public safety in his community.

"It has pluses and minuses," Jackson said. "Bigger is not always better. It's also a hard sell for people who like the feel and identity of their hometowns. A lot of times the driving force is economic."

Asbury Park City Manager Terry Reidy said it's an idea whose time has come.

"I'm an optimist in that regard," he said. "It's obvious that from the standpoint of efficiency and economics we cannot continue the current duplication of services and equipment we now see."

Keddy's model of combined services might seem surreal to many in the Shore area, he said, but it's gaining acceptance elsewhere in New Jersey.

Fire departments in the Hudson County communities of West New York, Guttenberg, Weehawken, North Bergen and Union City have all combined to form a North Hudson Fire Department, Keddy said. Now with fewer personnel, they provide a better response in terms of both firefighters and equipment, he said.

"It operates like a regional authority, and they put more firefighters on the scene than they did when they were separate," Keddy said. "A lot of people are opposed to (regionalization) because it's a fear of the unknown."

So, what type of regional department does Keddy foresee?

"Why not shoot for the sky and say one for all of Monmouth County?" he said.

Realistic?

Probably not, Keddy concedes, but he could see a regional department that encompasses an area like Asbury Park, Neptune, Interlaken, Bradley Beach, Avon and Long Branch as a first step.

He said he's pitched the idea to many of his counterparts with varying levels of enthusiasm.

And, as if to undercut his own sales pitch, Keddy said a regional department probably would not result in a substantial savings to municipalities.

"This is not a cost-savings issue," he said. "It's a question of putting a better service out there in terms of response time, personnel and equipment."

John Rizzitello is the administrator for Belmar's 75-member volunteer force and a career firefighter at Fort Monmouth. He sees regionalization as something that is needed but also is hard to implement.

"The number of volunteers is gradually decreasing," he said. "That has both an economic and public safety impact for communities. The hardest thing is to overcome many of the older traditions in departments that are now impeding effective public safety. We should never forget where we came from, but we have to concentrate on where we need to be going."

Right now, no one has the type of fire response that a national survey of fire chiefs has recommended, Keddy said.

That survey by the National Fire Protection Association, long regarded as the standard setter for fire codes and response criteria, said 17 to 23 firefighters should be at the scene of a working dwelling fire in the first eight to 10 minutes.

It's slightly different than the guidelines of the so-called "bible" for career firefighters, NFPA 1710, which sets that standard at 15 to 17 firefighters on the ground for a first alarm. No one in the Shore area comes close to that number of responders on most nights, Keddy said.

Asbury Park has eight firefighters on for each shift, but they also must respond to ambulance calls. A good fire-call response in Asbury Park would be eight firefighters on the initial response — providing there are no ambulance calls to contend with. Then the number could drop to six or even four responders, Keddy said.

Asbury Park has long relied on firefighters from the Unexcelled Fire Company in neighboring Neptune, Keddy said.

"Their track record speaks for itself," he said of the volunteer company. "They continually provide six to eight able-bodied firefighters in an acceptable time frame."

That turnout is important to the regionalization concept, Keddy said, because the department he envisions would be a hybrid with both career and volunteer firefighters.

"Regionalization should never be looked at as an anti-volunteer position," he said. "A physically fit, well trained and qualified firefighter is the greatest asset any department can have, whether paid or volunteer."

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Russel wrote:
just another ploy to get more paid firemen jobs out there!!! everyone knows the unions are pushing to get rid of the volunteers, just look how many paid fireman and union officals ran for fire commissoner spots this year at election time, but smart volunteers and tax payers saw the hand writeing on the wall and did not vote for them, what do they care how much my taxes go up to pay these so called career firemen
4/15/2008 9:19:55 PM
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airpat wrote:
I am very disturped by some of these posts. No one is Bashing or putting down the Volunteer Firefighter or EMT. Only pointing out that the current system is broken and needs some work. It is apparent that Monmouth County is not going to go paid overnight - But the goundwork for improving the system need to be laid and pehaps a good start would be to regionalize some departments and cut down on the duplication of equiptment and services.

4/14/2008 7:16:17 PM
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FCSteve wrote:
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While I've met many volunteers than are competently trained, frankly, I don't see how they find the time to do it. I think the training is what eventually will force more volunteers to have trouble maintaining adequate manpower as much as anything.

From my experience, in towns without severe fire exposures, I think it makes more sense to start with regionalizing paid EMS before paid fire. Formerly living in a rural town, I worried more about having someone available to give me oxygen before I worried about someone to rescue me from a fire. Seeing the call volume, paid fire just doesn't make sense everywhere, but I think paid EMS does.

4/14/2008 3:51:15 PM
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FCSteve wrote:
I've been a paid Fire Captain in a larger Northern Jersey town for 20 plus years. During my years, I've gone to many more fire classes on my own time than any my department has covered by comp time. And not once was I ever paid extra to attend a class. Most were done on department work time with maybe a few, less than 50 hrs, done where comp time was granted. Most fire classes are classroom so insurance isn't an issue. Never done live fire training on my own time though.

When I started I was given 6 weeks of training. Our new recruits now get almost 6 months training before they come on the line. The requirements of the job has changed over the years. More is asked than just being able to throw on a turnout, know how to breath thru an SCBA and open a nozzle.
4/14/2008 3:50:23 PM
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Lunchbox307 wrote:
For ALL of you who dispute the necessity of a regionalized or "professional" fire/ems service (if the word scares you, LOOK IT UP IN A DICTIONARY- it means one who is paid for their services), just sit and listen to a scanner in Eastern Monmouth County from 9am to 6pm. I do, and it scares me to think I may need help during the daytime. Call after call, day after day goes to third alert, mutual aid, or cancelled because a family member transported the patient... not to mention second or third alert for FIRE calls and MVA's! I'm not bashing the volunteers- if you get out to calls, THANK YOU! We need more like you. I am talking about a SYSTEM that is broken, and needs repair.
Take your EGO out of the equation, stop crying about whose town lines they are, and worry about providing adequate services to the citizens who PAY FOR YOUR EXISTENCE!!!
Lastly, if you're going to bash ANYONE, have the courage to give your name!

fm114fd@gmail.com
4/14/2008 2:10:16 PM
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ctyresident wrote:
Gec1975, you gotta a lot to say but nothing here is backing your claims. Regionalization is many years away. My suggestion to all here look closely at what kind of departments want to combine and make them whole. It is the paid departments who suffer from lack of money, lack of manpower and lack of support from there Administrators. Secondly look at what they are looking to do , get into the coffers of Fire districts they see $$$$ thats all. Most departments in Monmouth Cty can and will get more than Asbury or Long Branch or any other paid department on scene in the recomended times (NFPA) with a qualified group of dedicated voluteers who more than likely live in the town they are protecting and care for the homeowner who lives there and will not only extinguish the fire but help the homeowner secure there property. For those who want to bash volunteers why not just get an application and join them then there wouldn't be a problem . The doors are always open to new members .
4/14/2008 1:08:54 PM
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gec1975 wrote:
you need to live in the city to get the job, and then a year after. That clear it up!! Firemens relief would stay, why would it leave? Advanced level 2??? What is that??? The others you have listed are not advanced. They are what every firefighter should have. Fire science is above and beyond for firefighting it is more for a higher position. Most departments do not have the required manpower for most fires, hence mutual aid. Firefighters put out fires not apparatus.
4/14/2008 8:31:17 AM
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gec1975 wrote: "Know what you are talking about before you burp!!.You have to live in Asbury to be a Asbury fireman."

Really? Is that why the Chief can be Googled having an Ocean Twp address?

Maybe someone should clue him in on your rules.
4/13/2008 11:00:37 PM
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firefighter38 wrote:
back again with my two cents worth-asbury park firefighters live in the city?hummm.
are you sure about that?what do they(a.p.f.d.)do in the event of a major worker a.k.a. fire?manpower for off duty personnel have to be recalled or call mutual -aid from outside departments to help. as for training many f.f. in my company including myself are certified in the advanced level such as level2,high angle rescue,pump truck operations etc.I also have college credits in fire science.
in the past years I feel it is a disgrace that we have to fund raise in order to protect a town and beg for money-when was the last time you saw cops having a coin toss to buy cruisers. if you start to join services,what happens to the all the money that is in the firemans relief associations?
4/13/2008 10:11:24 PM
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gec1975 wrote:
Fourth... public safety personnel deserve a decent salary and retirement since they risk there lives for there careers. They have worked hard to get what they have. You have a problem with cash cows and second jobs, do some more research into judges in the state and polititians and what they recieve for a quarter of the time they work compared to fireman. Most fireman have to work second jobs to pay the bills. Starting salaries are horrible. Fith....I dont know of any department that gets paid by call..... doest cost more to respond with more.
4/13/2008 8:52:59 PM
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