"More coverage with a fog tip? yes, but more coverage with what? air with a few droplets of water? A Smoothbore tip provides more water with less operating pressure and with significantly more "punch" when and where you need it."
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Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream
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We recently put straight tip nozzles on our elevated master stream in place of the origanaly we had Fog tips nozzle on it.Looking for some input on this or some articles that support the Fog Tip over…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Shareef Abdu Nur Nov 16, 2010.
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Shareef Abdu Nur replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream
Bryan Aube replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"It was the manufacturer. When we ordered the truck our chief wanted to have both options and they stated the ladder would not accept stacked tips. We have not done the comparison testing either.
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Michael Bricault replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"-Ok... seems reasonable enough for a tower ladder. When I read the postings and responded it was not clear to me that we were discussing a tower unit. I was under the impression we were still talking about a straight stick aerial device and tailored…"
Larry Lasich replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"OK We have a bucket and we have: BA connections, piercing nozzle, pony line and a coupling grip that grabs a 2.5 female. It's not there for a speed change, it's there so that it doesn't get lost. As a rule, I don't want anyone in…"
Michael Bricault replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"-Like you Larry I prefer to have the straight tip stack of nozzles on the master stream, after all the whole point of a master stream is to put out a lot of water. The fog is an interesting appliance for a master stream but really nothing more than…"
J. Phillip Strickland replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"Master streams and forced air? I would like to hear your experiences about master streams forced air effects on fires. I am not against master streams but feel that we may be over looking a very important fact that is making our jobs harder and…"
Michael Grcich replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"Is the manufacture of the monitor or the truck that told your department they could not use stack tips?
Have you done actual reach and impact comparison test between the fog and smooth bore nozzles?
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Bob Franklin replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"Hello Moe,
When using an elevated master stream there is a tremndou amount of heat being released from the structure. We used fog streams for over twenty years and after consideratable research, we found that the smoothbore tip gave us (1) better…"
Jeff Schwering replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"My engine company carries both, fog and stacked tips. While both have uses, whether a deck gun or elevated master streams, stack tips seam to work better for a quick knock, when you get a reliable water supply, to supply that stream properly.…"
Michael Bricault replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"-Adam, we had the same class from Mike several years ago and are of the same school of thought. What's more, we use this on most of our ladder companies though some still hold to the misconception of the fog. We use these on our master stream…"
Michael Bricault replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"-Rick, the protection factor you mention from an elevated master stream device is a misconception in the fire service. It depends on the assumption that water will be instantly available to the ladder pipe, in a split second, simply by pulling a…"
Stan Morse left a comment for Moe Tischendorf"We carry both solid and fog tips for our elevated streams. My preference is to have the solid tip attached. It really depends on the purpose of the elevated stream. A solid stream is much better for fire extinguishment. Better reach and penetration.…"
Ricky Teter replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"My theory for the protection is if there are flames and smoke venting from a window or opening below a floor where the ladder is being used for a rescue, the fog stream can be used to protect the rescuer, the victim and the ladder from exposure…"
Adam Miceli replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"We have stacked tip on all our master streams, ground guns, deck guns and the aerial gun. We've yet to switch to one of the fog guns we carry on each. In fact I can only think of a few times I'd really want them and that is for creating an…"
Ricky Teter replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"Just my opinion, but I prefer to have the fog tip on the elevated master stream. Our Pierce sticks have a rescue mode setting where the nozzle can be a few rungs lower than the tip for protection from fire below while making rescues with the ladder.…"
Bryan Aube replied to Moe Tischendorf's discussion Fog Tip vs Straight Tip Nozzles on Elevated Master Stream"We have a fog nozzle and have found very few times when it wasnt on a straight stream. We cant change ours out to a straight tip per the manufacturer but it would have a smooth tip if we could. Our deck guns and ground monitors are all equipped with…"
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- At 9:00pm on March 16, 2010, Stan Morse said…
- We carry both solid and fog tips for our elevated streams. My preference is to have the solid tip attached. It really depends on the purpose of the elevated stream. A solid stream is much better for fire extinguishment. Better reach and penetration. A fog stream is better for exposure protection. A solid stream may do damage to a structure that you are tring to protect.
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