"Dave LeBlanc said:I think that I have some concern with the notion that 2 in and 2 out is our saving grace. The standard was not originally designed for the Fire Service, and in my mind leaves us in a position of doing more work with less…"
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Started this discussion. Last reply by David Polikoff May 25, 2009.
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Larry Lasich replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Adam Miceli said:Larry Lasich said:I'd like to see a breakdown on how meny times we go into marginal conditions for a search/rescue that result in people being removed that were still alive 1 month later and how meny resulted in dead or injured…"
Tom Vogel replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"A very interesting debate, with two very important components, safety and proper fire attack method. Following the OSHA standard, if your staffing is not sufficient to meet the regs, you really do not have any options, if as you state, there is…"
Dave Tessier replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Eliminating the use of a window to during an offensive attack shouldn't be a rule of ops. It's an option if the conditions allow for it. Keep your options open.
I hear alot of guys saying an the indirect attack will automatically disrupt…"
Bryan Lafleur replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Chris, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I was also taught to ALWAYS attack from the unburned to the burned, and to NEVER stick a nozzle in a window if going offensive. When I came on shift there were some old guys who told me to the contrary. At…"
Dave LeBlanc replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Chris Truty said:Here's an example of where the fire service has held on to something way too long, that is the interior attack and the "unprofessionalism" of an in-the-window knockdown. We spend way too much time trying to find our…"
Grant Graham replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Unfortunately, unless there is a rescue to be made, the dept I work for will have to do things this way initially. There are only 3 of us on the daytime shift and this includes the chief. We rely on volunteer FF to bring the remaining apparatus and…"
Chris Truty replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Here's an example of where the fire service has held on to something way too long, that is the interior attack and the "unprofessionalism" of an in-the-window knockdown. We spend way too much time trying to find our way to a room…"
Larry Lasich replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Wha I was saying is, save your people and they will save others. Kill them and no one gets saved."
Adam Miceli replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Larry Lasich said:I'd like to see a breakdown on how meny times we go into marginal conditions for a search/rescue that result in people being removed that were still alive 1 month later and how meny resulted in dead or injured firefighters. I…"
Larry Lasich replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Michael Bricault said:-Sounds great if you know the victim is an arsonist; someone that set the fire maliciously. How about homeless people that set the fire accidentally, or curious children playing with matches?-Remember, the fire service…"
Adam Miceli replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Adam Miceli said:I would never advocate an attack starting through a window due to the 2 in/ 2 out rule; as a specific tactical choice where victim viability is not likely, maybe. As Michael Bricault said, it's really not a valid approach to an…"
Michael Bricault replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"-Sounds great if you know the victim is an arsonist; someone that set the fire maliciously. How about homeless people that set the fire accidentally?
-Remember, the fire service doesn't judge people, thats what the cops and courts are for.…"
Larry Lasich replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"Michael Bricault said:-A consistent theme with many respondents is that the occupancy be void of occupants in order to really go to work with the hand line, even through the window. The key to this tactic being acceptable, they have said, is that…"
Michael Bricault replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"-A consistent theme with many respondents is that the occupancy be void of occupants in order to really go to work with the hand line, even through the window. The key to this tactic being acceptable, they have said, is that the occupancy is…"
Adam Miceli replied to Bob Farrar's discussion 2 in 2 out"I would never advocate an attack starting through a window due to the 2 in/ 2 out rule; as a specific tactical choice where victim viability is not likely, maybe. As Michael Bricault said, it's really not a valid approach to an offensive…"
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