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Tool Evolutions and options today ......
Question #1 for June .....
What some the effective tool evolutions you are teaching or seeing taught in your travels? And while it might work on our subject vehicles in training - what are you really seeing out there on the street?
And.... what options are you teaching or are seeing being expressed/shown?
For example take a look at these two pics. Both were from our FDIC HOT program this past year. 1st one is a 08 Ford Taurus (old Ford 500) and the 2nd is a 06 Ford Escape Hybrid. Both vehicles had a dash lift evolution attempted on them. Look closely at the effectiveness of the tool evolutions and the vehicles' construction. What do see from these pics and your thoughts please .....
Be safe-
Dave D
What some the effective tool evolutions you are teaching or seeing taught in your travels? And while it might work on our subject vehicles in training - what are you really seeing out there on the street?
And.... what options are you teaching or are seeing being expressed/shown?
For example take a look at these two pics. Both were from our FDIC HOT program this past year. 1st one is a 08 Ford Taurus (old Ford 500) and the 2nd is a 06 Ford Escape Hybrid. Both vehicles had a dash lift evolution attempted on them. Look closely at the effectiveness of the tool evolutions and the vehicles' construction. What do see from these pics and your thoughts please .....
Be safe-
Dave D
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Permalink Reply by Bryce Tracy on -
Hey Dave,
Ya know one thing that I am seeing happen in short is trying to short cut the evolution. I believe in giving them all the options (Tactics) in regards to door removals, dash lift/roll, dash push, roof flap/removal, etc. But one thing i continually have to stress is the proper purchase points, relief cuts and proper cribbing placement. All to often those little steps add up to a succesfull outcome in most cases. With the newer cars that are out there on the pavement, we are seeing less true entrapment or pins of the paitents from the dash and or pedal area. At least in my area.......In most cases a good door removal and/or roof removal has provided excellent room for EMS to package and move them.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Miller on -
Hey,
FYI Ron Moore is doing a webcast on Firehouse.com on Tuesday entitled "New Exotic Metal Extrication Challenges Responders Face". I'm sure that there will be alot of the same stuff from his State Farm video, but I'm sure it will be a good refresher at the very least.
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Permalink Reply by Ed Davies on -
A quick look , did they not stabilize under the Taurus and thus loose the reactive surface to facilitate the dash lift effectively? The Escape is stabilized under the lifting location and the cut int he fender rail helped pivot the dash up and out.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Dalrymple on -
Ed-
The Taurus pic was taken after the stabilization was removed. This vehicle was stabilized as norm - 4 points however this vehicle was extremely difficult to displace the dash due to it being heavily reenforced. The dash was finally displaced after one of the center "downrigger" bars off the dash reenforcement bar was cut then the dash moved approx 8". Plus notice where the crush zone is in that pic..
Dave
Ed Davies said:A quick look , did they not stabilize under the Taurus and thus loose the reactive surface to facilitate the dash lift effectively? The Escape is stabilized under the lifting location and the cut int he fender rail helped pivot the dash up and out.
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