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Pre arrival assignments
Ok, here is a small attempt to get this group active again, does your dept have specific tasks for each arriving apparatus or are tasks assigned as needed? In the Austin metro area most follow austin sops with the following...
First engine- attack
second engine- pump tank water to first and pull back up line from first eng
third engine- plug and rit
fourth eng- plug
first truck- inside truck
second truck- outside truck
heavy rescue(2 man)- utilities
My dept doesnt follow this unless we are aiding in an area that does, we assign aa needed and since we are truck poor an eng might be aasigned truck work if equiped. You guys weigh in and lets see where we stand, agree or disagree with our processes!
First engine- attack
second engine- pump tank water to first and pull back up line from first eng
third engine- plug and rit
fourth eng- plug
first truck- inside truck
second truck- outside truck
heavy rescue(2 man)- utilities
My dept doesnt follow this unless we are aiding in an area that does, we assign aa needed and since we are truck poor an eng might be aasigned truck work if equiped. You guys weigh in and lets see where we stand, agree or disagree with our processes!
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Schwering on -
With our 2 eng out of one station, first in takes the fire, second engine picks up a plug. If the first due has a plug close, they may get their own water. 3rd eng may be a quint or an engine, and fourth and fifth are eng. Our companies, get water on the fire, our second eng is assigned search. The auto aid companies get put into place by the IC, whether myself as a Captain or one of the chiefs who has command. We get 4 engines and 1 quint on all fires in town.
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Permalink Reply by Dave LeBlanc on -
I think riding assignments and arrival assignments are an essetial part of our job. That being said, we don't do either formally.
Informally my shift has tools assignments based on where you sit. But there is a spread Department wide about who carries what tools......in the end, no consistent tools assignments and no specific job functions.
As far as arrival assignments go, there is an operational norm that 1st due has the fire and second due will support that function however is determined necessary. A lot of our response comes from off duty members, so tasks are often assigned as manpower becomes available. -
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Permalink Reply by Larry Glover on -
We use arrival assignments at Shelby. We have 2 engines, 1 quint (utilized as an engine, 1 ladder co. and shift/battalion chief.
1st Due Eng--Investigate, Suppression
2nd Due Eng--Help with Water Supply, Back-up line
3rd Due Eng--RIT assignment
Ladder Co.--2 teams (Capt & 1 FF) FE & Search, (Eng. & 1 FF-if lucky) Utilities & Outside Vent
The only tool assignment we have is the FF assigned to the Ladder Capt has the "irons". Other than that, most of our guys don't bring tools. Like Dave said "no consistent tools assignments" so the guys would rather go back to the rig to get what they need. Like the late Andrew Fredericks said "take the time to make the time". -
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Permalink Reply by Barry Harpur on -
1st Eng.- 1st line
2nd Eng.- assist w/ 1st line
1st truck- fire floor
2nd Truck - floor above
3rd Eng. - 2nd line
4th Eng. - assist w/ 2nd line
3rd truck - FAST Truck -
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Permalink Reply by Mike France on
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We do have Apparatus assignments , What we call a order of roll . each is assigned for different types of calls, as far as FF assigments that is left up to the officer of the apparatus to assign his crew, I as IC assign the apparatus to theri given assignement.
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Chief- IC
1st Asst- Operations A/ B
2nd Asst- Operations C/D
Capt Safety- Accountibility
Lt Safety- Staging
Engine 64 - attack
Truck 63 - Ventilation/ search and rescue
ETA 61- Secondary engine company to E 64
R 60- manpower / air / rehab
RIT - MA dept- 2nd alarm
Rehab- MA dept.- 2nd. Alram
MA Engine - for Engine Compnay if needed
This is just for a Working Fire.
Mike France said:We do have Apparatus assignments , What we call a order of roll . each is assigned for different types of calls, as far as FF assigments that is left up to the officer of the apparatus to assign his crew, I as IC assign the apparatus to theri given assignement. -
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Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault on -
-Like many large cities, Albuquerque does use pre assignments for apparatus to incidents as a typical first alarm assignment will have nine companies responding from as many different firehouses in the city. These pre assignments are designed to eliminate confusion and redundancy and increase the speed of service delivery.
-Like all firefighting operations pre assignments can change depending on circumstances but usually run as:
The first company on scene will be the initial IC
1st arriving engine (depending on occupancy and fire showing) stretch initial line and/or establish water supply from a hydrant.
2nd arriving engine generally establish water supply to first engine and/or stretch back up line (not secondary line; there is a difference)
3rd arriving engine stretch secondary line and/or RIC as needed.
1st arriving ladder perform forcible entry and initiate primary search
2nd arriving ladder perform ventilation
Of the two ambulances, one establishes EMS sector while the other augments manpower anywhere on scene as needed.
Heavy Rescue to establish/tak over RIC
Squad Co. Safety sector
1st arriving BC takes over IC
2nd BC is IC assistant. -
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Permalink Reply by Dave LeBlanc on
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Michael Bricault said:
2nd arriving engine generally establish water supply and/or stretch back up line (not secondary line; there is a difference.
Yes there is a huge difference, and yet another "basic" that is getting lost in the shuffle. -
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Schwering on
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Amen, the back-up line does not put the fire out. Sorry, you back the first line up
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Permalink Reply by Michael Bricault on
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-Wow, another Brother that truly understands the subtleties and nuances in the art and craft that we call firefighting!! I knew I wasn't alone!!!
Dave LeBlanc said:Michael Bricault said:
2nd arriving engine generally establish water supply and/or stretch back up line (not secondary line; there is a difference.
Yes there is a huge difference, and yet another "basic" that is getting lost in the shuffle. -
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Permalink Reply by Mike Walker on -
In OKC we don't have pre-assignments for our apparatus but I definitely see the value in it. Though we don't have pre-assignments most fires run along a "typical" algorythm if you will. Typically the first Engine establishes it's water supply, lays in and commences fire attack. The second Engine either does search or pulls the back-up line. The third Engine either performs search or pulls the back-up line (which ever the 2nd doesn't). 4th Engine catches RIT. Ladder company typically does ventilation.
Sometimes, if the situation warrants, that order of assignment will change depending on the needs of the incident. It is up to the I/C. -
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Permalink Reply by Dave LeBlanc on
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Mike Walker said:In OKC we don't have pre-assignments for our apparatus but I definitely see the value in it. Though we don't have pre-assignments most fires run along a "typical" algorythm if you will. Typically the first Engine establishes it's water supply, lays in and commences fire attack. The second Engine either does search or pulls the back-up line. The third Engine either performs search or pulls the back-up line (which ever the 2nd doesn't). 4th Engine catches RIT. Ladder company typically does ventilation.
Sometimes, if the situation warrants, that order of assignment will change depending on the needs of the incident. It is up to the I/C.
Mike, what about seat assignments on the apparatus? Does each seat have a certain responsibility, or is it as assigned? -
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