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I appreciate everyone who takes the time to answer this discussion as well as all the others. I think that FE hit a Home Run with this idea and I am so glad to see the growth. I have some easy questions and look forward to everyones input.

1- What department are you in and what units go on the first alarm to a fire?

2- Does each unit have pre-determined assignments, or is the the responsibility of the IC, or first arriving unit?

3- Is there a specific unit who is responsible for RIT, RIC, FAST or whatever you are calling it?

4- Are you a member of the F.O.O.L.S.? If not, why?

Thanks again,

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Sounds to me like you might be in upper 10%. (Search the foolsinternational site for more info)
Stay their. Good work!
Glad you had a great time. maybe will run into you at future training sometime. i try to attend fdic, firehouse world in san diego. stay safe joe k
I work for the Sacramento Metropolitan Fire District. We are the 7th largest fire department in California. We have 39 Engine Companies, 4 Truck Companies, 1 Heavy Rescue Company (doubles as a Truck Co. minus the aerial), 1 HazMat Company (doubles as a Truck Co. minus the aerial), 14 Medic units split up into 6 Battalions. Our Engine Companies are staffed with 3 personnel, the Trucks with 4, and the Medics with 2. We provide service to a population of approximately 600,000 in an area of 417 square miles.

Our alarm assignments for structure fires are the same regardless of whether it is a residential or commercial structure. We send 3 Engine Companies, 2 Truck Companies, 1 Medic unit, and 2 Battalion Chiefs. We do have an S.O.P. that provides for pre-determined assignments. 1st arriving Engine Co. assumes fire attack. 2nd arriving Engine Co. is assigned to secure a water supply and assume Command. 3rd arriving Engine Co. assumes RIC. If a Medic unit arrives prior to the second or third Engine Co. they assume "2 out" so that we are in compliance with the OSHA regulation. Our Truck Companies generally split into 2 2 person teams with the one team assuming ventilation and the other team going interior to assist. The first arriving Truck assumes ventilation group and the 2nd arriving Truck performs other funtions as needed (i.e. salvage).

I am not currently a member of a FOOLS chapter but am aware of the FOOLS.

Hope this helps.

Joe Fiorica
G******** from Charlotte NC, 39 Stations, and 700,000 waiting to be served.

As one of your other replies mentioned we seperate between " Normal" residential/commercial with 4 Engines, 1 Ladder, 1 Heavy Rescue, 2 BC; a High-risk assignments get 6E, 3L, 1Heavy, 3BC. Each of those would be for confirmed or suspected woring fires.

There are limited pre-determined assgnments on high-rise structure to cover the FDC and lobby control, but otherwise assigned by the IC. The same goes for RIC, it is assumed (UNIDOR) that the 4th due Engine is RIC, but it is left upto the IC.

Charlotte Metro FOOLS

Hi Joe,

Sounds like your one of the fortunate ones, at least as far as manpower goes. I am also impressed on the pre-determined assignments, prior to arrival. I would think this makes the scene run somewhat seamless. If you call organized chaos "seamless"!

Thanks for taking the time to add your input. When I started this thread, I had no idea that so many would respond. I appreciate it since this gives everyone an opportunity to see how it's done elsewhere.

Thanks, California does has chapters, search the site to find one. Let me know if I can help!
Thanks Brother!

It also sounds like department has a plan! Not everyone on here has a department with the ability to put that much equipment on the scene. With manpower seeming to dissolve in some places, it's nice to hear about yourself and Joe that aren't worrying about a shortage if it's burning.

One of our guys we hired about a year ago is from Charlotte, and was a chapter member their (Cory Swenson), do you know him?

Stay Safe Brother
Hey Greg,

I'm in Parma Ohio, largest suburb of Cleveland. 105 full time firefighters, 5 stations

!st alarm assignments are: Single family residential- 2 engine companies, 1 ladder company = 15 firefighters on confirmation of a working fire a 3rd engine company is sent.. Commercial: 3 engine companies and 1 ladder company = 20 firefighters On confirmation of a working fire, 4th engine company or mutual aid.

No predetermined functions for the most part, Unfortunately it varies by shift as each has a different view of our SOP's.

The 3rd engine in should be RIT but to be honest, I can't think of a time when we utilized it. It does not seem to be the priority of the IC's. Too many times we hear, "We got it knocked down so fast there wasn't time".

I am a F.O.O.L. ALthough my chapter NOrth SHore, is inactive. I'm trying to find the time to start a chapter closer to home as I was traveling 40 miles to meetings and such.
Hi Greg, In the North Providence Fire Dept. the first alarm to a structure fire gets 3 engines, 1 ladder co., a squad (our heavy rescue) and a B.C. Upon transmiting a working fire an extra engine and EMS unit are automatically special called. If the extra engine is not immediately put to work it acts as the FAST co. All first alarm companies go to work following our SOPs .

Stay safe,
Hey Greg,

Captain of Eng 2977 Matawan FD NJ. Our first alarm normally consists of 2 engines, truck and a Chief and 2 FAST units when a confirmed fire. One FAST unit can be used either way as Engine or FAST . Any other response is normally 2 Engines and a Chief. 1 st due is operating Eng and 2 nd due is supply with truck operating as truck. The IC can change any assignment at any time. Apparatus Officer advises responding members on apparatus of what needs are required and they determine what task they will perform. This enhances their skill levels. I'am not a member of FOOLS but will join a local chapter when time permits.

STAY SAFE !! Dennis
Hi Dennis,

Thanks for answering. Seems your guys have a plan as well.It's conforting to hear that some departments have a FAST (RIT) or whatever we are calling it ready to go. I appreciate you taking the time.

I know that NJ has two differant FOOLS chapters. Search for Bill Hopson on here and contact him if you need help.
Stay Safe Bro.

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