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I'm looking for input on the Cleveland Load, specifically how/where to add additional lengths. If anyone uses this for their apartment packs, I'm really interested in finding out how you do it. Let me know of any video links on YouTube, etc. We're considering switching over to the Cleveland Load, but we still have a few questions we need answered. We've trained with 100' and it's much better and easier to deploy than how we've been doing it for years, but we have hallways in high-rises that are 300' long. These buildings have two stairwells that each have standpipes. We just need to know what's the best way to add more hose to it for those apartments that are beyond 100'. Do you add it in a smoky hallway, in the stairwell? Thanks for your help.
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Permalink Reply by Russ Chapman on -
Will
We tried it out. Went well till one guy tied a perfect overhand knot. No Cleveland load for us! Rollups (folds) is the way to go.
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Permalink Reply by Kenneth Johnson on -
I just got back from a training school where they taught us about the Cleveland Load. We plan to replace our Hi-Rise Packs with it. You can use it just like a Hi-Rise Pack, you can charge the hose before it is unpacked (after removing the straps and buckles), and it is almost guaranteed not to tangle when the nozzle end is pulled out toward the fire. You can then stand what unused hose is still in the roll up against the wall to get it out of the way of foot traffic through the hallway, stairway, or whatever. If you need to move some hose, simply roll it as in rolling a hoop down the hall, stairway, whatever. Think we will like it. You can use the same straps to secure it as you do the Hi-Rise Pack.
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Permalink Reply by Kenneth Johnson on
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How did you get the overhand knot in it? We pulled the nozzle out the top and through the bottom, and it did not tie the hose in a knot.
Russ Chapman said:Will
We tried it out. Went well till one guy tied a perfect overhand knot. No Cleveland load for us! Rollups (folds) is the way to go.
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Permalink Reply by Russ Chapman on
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When you teach 50 rookies in a single class, anything can happen and it did. Honestly, the main reason for us not liking it is that we use 2 1/2" hose, inline gauges and smoothbores. The low pressure systems do not allow this to work. Also, contingencies as in having to stretch to another stairwell other than the one we connect up to, due to fire conditons, do not allow for this roll. This roll is good for low manpower situations, and that itself is another reason why we would not use this, as we commit 2 engines to a single hoseline in a standpipe op. Any department that does this with less is potentailly putting their people in a hazardous position.We demand the first length, from coupling to nozzle at the fire compartment entrance. We will stick with the FDNY stile roll ups.
Kenneth Johnson said:How did you get the overhand knot in it? We pulled the nozzle out the top and through the bottom, and it did not tie the hose in a knot.
Russ Chapman said:Will
We tried it out. Went well till one guy tied a perfect overhand knot. No Cleveland load for us! Rollups (folds) is the way to go.
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Permalink Reply by Bill McElheny on
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Dave,
I am intersted in you Power Point.
If you would send it to me.
Thanks,
William McElheny
Training Officer
Wilkins Twp. Fire Dept. Co. #4
Allegheny County Station 304
412/823-2322 station
412/398-4742 cell
w4fm@aol.com
Dave LeBlanc said:Not sure what the Cleveland load is, but we switched to the Bundles and have had awesome sucess with it. I have a Powerpoint of our setup if you are interested.
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On the way....
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