large area search.What do you use?what works and what does not.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Poyner on February 5, 2009 at 3:18pm

Joe if you go to All Hands Fire equip. go to search and guide we have the chicago style kit with markers and rings.Tha rings are for tying off with the tag lines.The ring also acts as a directional guide.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Slade on May 1, 2009 at 10:36am

Chris Poyner said:

Joe if you go to All Hands Fire equip. go to search and guide we have the chicago style kit with markers and rings.Tha rings are for tying off with the tag lines.The ring also acts as a directional guide.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Slade on May 1, 2009 at 10:37am

The search rope that Chicago Fire Department uses is call a " R.A.S.P " BAG. We have two on our department and they work GREAT!!! http://xtremerescue.com/RASPBag.php

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Permalink Reply by Joe on May 4, 2009 at 6:56am

Ryan Slade said:

Chris Poyner said:

Joe if you go to All Hands Fire equip. go to search and guide we have the chicago style kit with markers and rings.Tha rings are for tying off with the tag lines.The ring also acts as a directional guide.

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Permalink Reply by Joe on May 4, 2009 at 6:56am

Joe said:

Ryan Slade said:

Chris Poyner said:

Joe if you go to All Hands Fire equip. go to search and guide we have the chicago style kit with markers and rings.Tha rings are for tying off with the tag lines.The ring also acts as a directional guide.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Poyner on May 4, 2009 at 5:45pm

Joe ,
Go to all hands fire equipment .com look under search and guide you should find what your looking for.

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Permalink Reply by Ken Yarnell on May 8, 2009 at 3:08pm

In early 2008 I put together a 200 foot "survival" line to replace a "bag of rope" put onto the truck. I researched quit a bit about ropes and decided on a bag like FDNY is using. Because there is a good chance that this rope will be destroyed I opted to purchase utility rope from a local hardware store that has alternating red and green threads in it. The cost for the utility rope was less than $10. I bought two bags of 100 foot each. The other reason for the utility rope is that 200 feet fits into this bag with the knots. A co-worker purchased the same rope bag but could only get 150 feet into the bag using the commercially available search rope. Our attack lines are also 200 feet in length so I can go the same depth into a building as hose lines. Because making knots shortens your "survival" rope, I placed knots at every 25 feet rather than 10 as some suggest. I have a knot for every 25 feet so at 50 feet there is two knots spaced 3 inches apart. I also put a directional knot 12 inches away from the distance knots. The ropes are of course knotted together at 100 feet. And of course at 100 feet are 4 knots and a directional knot. The end of the rope is tied in the bottom of the bag to prevent losing the rope. On the end that remains at the entrance I have a loop with a quick snap and also a commercially available door prop. I mentioned the green and red colors in the rope. I designed the system so you can look at it and move toward the green to safety. Red is toward the hazard.
Remember that this line is only for guidance so it needs to be lightweight and functional. It is not meant for an escape rope.
Good Luck

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Slade on May 29, 2009 at 12:56pm

I have to disagree with Ken, Sorry brother, a search line/rope is YOU AND YOUR crews life line to get out of the building safely, Buy a good search rope ie.. 9mm kevlar rope that can with stand upto 950 degrees, Also the search line can have upwards of several hundred pound firefighters pulling on the rope. You can either spend the money now or a lot more for a couple of funnerals. Being cheap on your life line is like using a being cheap on your airpacks, why not just use a plastic bottle to breath from. Sorry brother, I have been to, too many funnerals of my 16 years in the fire service. Be safe out there, And train as if your life depends on it BECAUSE IT DOSE!!!!

Ken Yarnell said:

In early 2008 I put together a 200 foot "survival" line to replace a "bag of rope" put onto the truck. I researched quit a bit about ropes and decided on a bag like FDNY is using. Because there is a good chance that this rope will be destroyed I opted to purchase utility rope from a local hardware store that has alternating red and green threads in it. The cost for the utility rope was less than $10. I bought two bags of 100 foot each. The other reason for the utility rope is that 200 feet fits into this bag with the knots. A co-worker purchased the same rope bag but could only get 150 feet into the bag using the commercially available search rope. Our attack lines are also 200 feet in length so I can go the same depth into a building as hose lines. Because making knots shortens your "survival" rope, I placed knots at every 25 feet rather than 10 as some suggest. I have a knot for every 25 feet so at 50 feet there is two knots spaced 3 inches apart. I also put a directional knot 12 inches away from the distance knots. The ropes are of course knotted together at 100 feet. And of course at 100 feet are 4 knots and a directional knot. The end of the rope is tied in the bottom of the bag to prevent losing the rope. On the end that remains at the entrance I have a loop with a quick snap and also a commercially available door prop. I mentioned the green and red colors in the rope. I designed the system so you can look at it and move toward the green to safety. Red is toward the hazard.
Remember that this line is only for guidance so it needs to be lightweight and functional. It is not meant for an escape rope.
Good Luck

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Permalink Reply by Joe on May 29, 2009 at 1:45pm

Ryan Slade said:

I have to disagree with Ken, Sorry brother, a search line/rope is YOU AND YOUR crews life line to get out of the building safely, Buy a good search rope ie.. 9mm kevlar rope that can with stand upto 950 degrees, Also the search line can have upwards of several hundred pound firefighters pulling on the rope. You can either spend the money now or a lot more for a couple of funnerals. Being cheap on your life line is like using a being cheap on your airpacks, why not just use a plastic bottle to breath from. Sorry brother, I have been to, too many funnerals of my 16 years in the fire service. Be safe out there, And train as if your life depends on it BECAUSE IT DOSE!!!!

Ken Yarnell said:

In early 2008 I put together a 200 foot "survival" line to replace a "bag of rope" put onto the truck. I researched quit a bit about ropes and decided on a bag like FDNY is using. Because there is a good chance that this rope will be destroyed I opted to purchase utility rope from a local hardware store that has alternating red and green threads in it. The cost for the utility rope was less than $10. I bought two bags of 100 foot each. The other reason for the utility rope is that 200 feet fits into this bag with the knots. A co-worker purchased the same rope bag but could only get 150 feet into the bag using the commercially available search rope. Our attack lines are also 200 feet in length so I can go the same depth into a building as hose lines. Because making knots shortens your "survival" rope, I placed knots at every 25 feet rather than 10 as some suggest. I have a knot for every 25 feet so at 50 feet there is two knots spaced 3 inches apart. I also put a directional knot 12 inches away from the distance knots. The ropes are of course knotted together at 100 feet. And of course at 100 feet are 4 knots and a directional knot. The end of the rope is tied in the bottom of the bag to prevent losing the rope. On the end that remains at the entrance I have a loop with a quick snap and also a commercially available door prop. I mentioned the green and red colors in the rope. I designed the system so you can look at it and move toward the green to safety. Red is toward the hazard.
Remember that this line is only for guidance so it needs to be lightweight and functional. It is not meant for an escape rope.
Good Luck

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Permalink Reply by Joe on May 29, 2009 at 1:46pm

Joe said:

Ryan Slade said:

I have to disagree with Ken, Sorry brother, a search line/rope is YOU AND YOUR crews life line to get out of the building safely, Buy a good search rope ie.. 9mm kevlar rope that can with stand upto 950 degrees, Also the search line can have upwards of several hundred pound firefighters pulling on the rope. You can either spend the money now or a lot more for a couple of funnerals. Being cheap on your life line is like using a being cheap on your airpacks, why not just use a plastic bottle to breath from. Sorry brother, I have been to, too many funnerals of my 16 years in the fire service. Be safe out there, And train as if your life depends on it BECAUSE IT DOSE!!!!

Ken Yarnell said:

In early 2008 I put together a 200 foot "survival" line to replace a "bag of rope" put onto the truck. I researched quit a bit about ropes and decided on a bag like FDNY is using. Because there is a good chance that this rope will be destroyed I opted to purchase utility rope from a local hardware store that has alternating red and green threads in it. The cost for the utility rope was less than $10. I bought two bags of 100 foot each. The other reason for the utility rope is that 200 feet fits into this bag with the knots. A co-worker purchased the same rope bag but could only get 150 feet into the bag using the commercially available search rope. Our attack lines are also 200 feet in length so I can go the same depth into a building as hose lines. Because making knots shortens your "survival" rope, I placed knots at every 25 feet rather than 10 as some suggest. I have a knot for every 25 feet so at 50 feet there is two knots spaced 3 inches apart. I also put a directional knot 12 inches away from the distance knots. The ropes are of course knotted together at 100 feet. And of course at 100 feet are 4 knots and a directional knot. The end of the rope is tied in the bottom of the bag to prevent losing the rope. On the end that remains at the entrance I have a loop with a quick snap and also a commercially available door prop. I mentioned the green and red colors in the rope. I designed the system so you can look at it and move toward the green to safety. Red is toward the hazard.
Remember that this line is only for guidance so it needs to be lightweight and functional. It is not meant for an escape rope.
Good Luck

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Permalink Reply by Chris Sterricker on May 31, 2009 at 3:05pm

Chris, a couple of brothers have referenced the "Chicago style search bag", or the "RASP" bag. RASP is the Rope Assisted Search Procedure. The bag that contains the line is just part of the equation. The actual procedure used with the bag was developed especially for large area searches. If you haven't seen it or are not familiar with it here are a couple links that explain everything. This is what my department and much of our area uses.

http://www.firenuggets.com/x_ARDSIllIIlllllIIIllIlIlIIIllllIllIl/ju...

http://www.firenuggets.com/x_ARDSIllIIlllllIIIllIlIlIIIllllIllIl/tr...

Hope that helps.

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